[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated Cygwin Package: python-2.3.4-2

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Tishler
New News: === I have updated the version of Python to 2.3.4-2. The tarballs should be available on a Cygwin mirror near you shortly. The following is the only notable change since the previous release: o include _tkinter module which was mistakenly omitted in 2.3.4-1 Old News: ===

Re: installing cygwin on private lan

2004-06-14 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 09:51:42PM -0700, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:29:38 +, wrote: > > So is there a Linux version of setup.exe and if not, how do I populate > > the Linux filesystem from which the DOS box will install Cygwin? > > What you want is your own Cygwin

Re: installing cygwin on private lan

2004-06-14 Thread Joshua Daniel Franklin
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:29:38 +, wrote: > So is there a Linux version of setup.exe and if not, how do I populate > the Linux filesystem from which the DOS box will install Cygwin? What you want is your own Cygwin package server, so that you can run setup.exe on your Windows (I assume that's wha

tcltk-20030901-1 packaging bug?

2004-06-14 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
Hi, Looking at /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh on my system, TCL_BUILD_LIB_SPEC is defined to be "-L/cygnus/netrel/build/libtcltk/tcl/win -ltcl84", i.e. it has a hard-coded path from the builder's system. Some other variables also have this path hard-coded. Is this a p

Re: Running ssh from procmail

2004-06-14 Thread Peter Wisnovsky
More information on this problem with ssh hostname resolution failing. If my fetchmailrc has poll ... mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" hostname resolution in the nested script fails with + /usr/bin/ssh -g -n -e none -v -R p1:localhost:p1-l me verklempt 'sleep 180' OpenSSH_3.8.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.

RE: Annoucement: GCC-3.4.0 binary release candidat

2004-06-14 Thread Billinghurst, David (CALCRTS)
>From: Gerrit P. Haase > > Hi David, > >> I'm more curious to know how others managed to build gfortran of 3.5. >> >> Tim Prince > > I am trying to get my mainline gcc builds restarted. I managed a build > overnight, including gfortran. I am unaware of any magic. > >Interesting, should I inclu

Re: vim and python

2004-06-14 Thread Rohan Shah
So are these the only path related options I need? --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libexecdir=/usr/sbin --localstatedir=/var --datadir=/usr/share --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info thanks for your help, Rohan Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jun 14 09:18, Rohan Shah wrote: Th

Re: ipc-daemon2

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, John rambo wrote: > Hi, for some reason I cannot get ipc-daemon2 installed. I looked in user/bin > and it is not there. I have tried downloading from several different sites, > removing all the registry entries and all the files and starting all over and > still no happines

RE: log2 as function not as macro

2004-06-14 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Dave Korn wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Corinna Vinschen > > Sent: 14 June 2004 14:48 > > > On Jun 14 14:11, Johnny Willemsen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Are there plans to deliver log2 as regular function instead of > > > macro. Th

ipc-daemon2

2004-06-14 Thread John rambo
Hi, for some reason I cannot get ipc-daemon2 installed. I looked in user/bin and it is not there. I have tried downloading from several different sites, removing all the registry entries and all the files and starting all over and still no happiness. Is the latest installer busted when it co

Re: Cygwin and X

2004-06-14 Thread Philippe Bertin
Don't know, Still seems a valid question for this list to me. It's still a cygwin- question, not so ? Erik can install Exceed on his PC, and use a graphical X11- environment (e.g. kde-cygwin) started from within Cygwin, and running on his Exceed X11- server, can't he ? e.g. (hypothesis shell =

Re: FW: wish84 incredibly slow

2004-06-14 Thread fergus
On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 19:56, Brian Ford wrote: > Um..., nevermind. That would probably not be useful. All that time elapses between > these two calls: > > 876 6251810 [main] wish84 3360 > path_conv::check:this->path(g:\home\user\wishrc.tcl), has_acls(0) > 35680785 41932595 [unknown (0

Re: >> Hanging SH.EXE in Cygwin App <

2004-06-14 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
Larry, It's usually a good idea to send Cygwin-related questions to the Cygwin mailing list instead of via private mail, unless specifically requested. Not only will you get access to more expertise than any one person can provide, but your questions (and answers to them) will get archived on the

Re: cygwin and X

2004-06-14 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 11:27:12AM -0500, Brian Ford wrote: >Since this is Cygwin/X related, you have chosen the wrong list to post to. >Please read http://cygwin.com/lists.html for more information. I have >redirected this thread to the cygwin-xfree list. Actually, I started to respond similarly

Re: FW: wish84 incredibly slow

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Brian Ford wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, fergus wrote: > > but on every occasion that I tried this experiment, the longest individual > > call, dwarfing all others, is a call towards the end (actually 17th from > > last in all the examples of wish.log that I tried) beginning >

Re: FW: wish84 incredibly slow

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, fergus wrote: > >> I have been using Cygwin on a very slow Toshiba. > >> I have tried strace -o wish.log /bin/wish84 > >> but get a file an amazing 7000 lines long. > > > Sort wish.log on the first colum and see what calls > > took the longest. > In all cases the longest call

Re: wish84 incredibly slow

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, fergus wrote: > >> [unknown ... > > Sorry to provide an afterthought, but this might be helpful I hope: > > Summarising, as looking through any of the logfiles sorted or otherwise is a > bit of a bind, I think the explanation of the sloth must lie somewhere in > the output of

Re: jhead question/problem

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Dufair
The problem was indeed that it was a Win32 native version. I compiled it from source and it works as expected. I'd be glad to create and maintain a package for this if there is any interest beyond myself (having limited interest in the first place - I'm using it to help the author of "album" (htt

RE: LARGE FILE SUPPORT for tar in cygwin

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Vijaykumar Rajendra Rao wrote: > Hello, > > I am using cygwin version 1.3.6 on my windows 2003 server platform. I > heavily rely on the tar application provided by cygwin. I know that the > current version of tar that I am using is not able to read file sizez > greater than 2G

RE: LARGE FILE SUPPORT for tar in cygwin

2004-06-14 Thread Vijaykumar Rajendra Rao
Hello, I am using cygwin version 1.3.6 on my windows 2003 server platform. I heavily rely on the tar application provided by cygwin. I know that the current version of tar that I am using is not able to read file sizez greater than 2GB. Is there any newer version of tar which is available in cygwi

Re: Annoucement: GCC-3.4.0 binary release candidat

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
Sorry Gerrit. I didn't mean for that to be personal email as you can tell :-(. -- Brian Ford Senior Realtime Software Engineer VITAL - Visual Simulation Systems FlightSafety International the best safety device in any aircraft is a well-trained pilot... -- Forwarded message -- D

Re: Cygwin performance under Citrix

2004-06-14 Thread david . dezan
Brian, Thanks for your reply. The Unix test script was written in ksh. Dave -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: invalid mounts after inst of cygwin1.5.10.3

2004-06-14 Thread Pierre A. Humblet
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 05:29:24PM +0200, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > you wrote: > > When you run setup, third screen, where you specify the root > > directory. Does it have a final \ ? If so, remove it. > > See also below. > > Unfortunately this is not possible if you use H: as root,

Re: invalid mounts after inst of cygwin1.5.10.3

2004-06-14 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 05:29:24PM +0200, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: >Hi Pierre, > >you wrote: >> When you run setup, third screen, where you specify the root >> directory. Does it have a final \ ? If so, remove it. >> See also below. > >Unfortunately this is not possible if you use H: as root, you can

Re: Cygwin and X

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
Since this is Cygwin/X related, you have chosen the wrong list to post to. Please read http://cygwin.com/lists.html for more information. I have redirected this thread to the cygwin-xfree list. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Erik Abrahamsson wrote: > Hi all! > I have been running Cygwin/X for some time, w

Re: grep problems

2004-06-14 Thread Andrew DeFaria
"Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 10:29:13AM +0200, J?rg Schaible wrote: > > > I have upgraded to latest release of Cygwin and this has not > > > changed things. I have tried the above on a Windows 98 and > > > Windows XP

Re: Cygwin performance under Citrix

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Ford
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, david.dezan wrote: > One of the tests was a simple while loop which counted to 100. Written in what language? Please post. > This test took approximatly 30 seconds in Cygwin under Citrix and only 4 > seconds in Cygwin on a local machine. "man strace" and sort on the first

latex bug

2004-06-14 Thread Chris Jefferson
There appears to be a slightly annoying bug in latex (and tex) where they won't support filenames with spaces in. $latex a\ b.tex This is TeXk, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.4.5) %&-line parsing enabled. ! I can't find file `a'. <*> a b.tex Please type another input file name: $latex "a b.tex" Th

Re: jhead question/problem

2004-06-14 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 10:02:15AM -0500, Jason Dufair wrote: > If I execute it with the full pathname, however, it seems to have > trouble: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp > $ jhead /tmp/p660.jpg > Error : No such file > in file '\tmp\p660.jpg' Just for kicks, try: jhead /cygwin/tmp/p660

Re: jhead question/problem

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Dufair
>> -Original Message- >> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Jason Dufair >> Sent: 14 June 2004 16:02 >> To: cygwin >> Subject: jhead question/problem >> >> I believe I've found a bug with the jhead binary, but can't find any >> info on it. Does anyone know anything about jhead? > [...snip

Re: invalid mounts after inst of cygwin1.5.10.3

2004-06-14 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Hi Pierre, you wrote: > When you run setup, third screen, where you specify the root > directory. Does it have a final \ ? If so, remove it. > See also below. Unfortunately this is not possible if you use H: as root, you cannot continue, you must add the backslash. However, I use this always wit

Re: Setting speed of serial port on Win2K system

2004-06-14 Thread AuM . Graefe
Thanx, Neil. It works fine. It seems that cygwin uses the members c_ispeed and c_ospeed of struct termios and ignores any speed flag in c_cflag. Martin -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation:

RE: jhead question/problem

2004-06-14 Thread Dave Korn
> -Original Message- > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Jason Dufair > Sent: 14 June 2004 16:02 > To: cygwin > Subject: jhead question/problem > > I believe I've found a bug with the jhead binary, but can't find any > info on it. Does anyone know anything about jhead? [...snip...] > sys

jhead question/problem

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Dufair
I believe I've found a bug with the jhead binary, but can't find any info on it. Does anyone know anything about jhead? It's a program that can extract EXIF info from image files (jpg, etc.). I see it on my system in /usr/bin, but don't see it in the package search nor any reference to it in a m

prime95 adversely affects update on w2k

2004-06-14 Thread Neil Somos
I am writing in the hope of saving others some grief. Prime95 (http://mersenne.org/) soaks up all available background CPU cycles while trying to help find large mersenne primes. Apparently when it is running, it prevents some or all of the postinstall activity from completing. (On windows 2000 an

Setting speed of serial port on Win2K system

2004-06-14 Thread Neil Somos
AuM. Graefe asked about setting speed of serial ports on Win 2000. I've had success with #include struct termios *serial_config; cfsetospeed( serial_config, B57600); // for example cfsetispeed( serial_config, B57600); in conjunction with a later tcsetattr call...

Re: [OT] RE: Bash hangs in WaitForMultipleObjects

2004-06-14 Thread Karl M
From: Warren Young To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Bash hangs in WaitForMultipleObjects Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 04:27:25 -0600 Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 06:12:05PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: Now quote *that* line at the top of the snapshots page. I dare you! Done. W

Cygwin and X

2004-06-14 Thread Erik Abrahamsson
Hi all! I have been running Cygwin/X for some time, with very low performance. In the Cygwin/X FAQ this is explained by the fact that I have a personal firewall (in this case it's Zonealarm). It is also the process vsmon.exe that is draining my system while using Cygwin/X. The solution to this prob

Cygwin performance under Citrix

2004-06-14 Thread david . dezan
My company is trying to setup a development environment using Cygwin on a server running Citrix. This allows multiple users to log into the Citrix server and it looks to them like they have their own machine. However, in the course of testing the installation of our development packages (includin

Re: gftp

2004-06-14 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
D. wrote: > I'm trying to compile gftp, but when I do a make I got this error [...] > pty.c:91: error: `TIOCSCTTY' undeclared (first use in this function) [...] > what's up? Try Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=TIOCSCTTY+cygwin+&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

RE: log2 as function not as macro

2004-06-14 Thread Dave Korn
> -Original Message- > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Corinna Vinschen > Sent: 14 June 2004 14:48 > On Jun 14 14:11, Johnny Willemsen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Are there plans to deliver log2 as regular function instead > of macro. The > > log2 as macro is hard to use in projects that also

Re: Unable to open files including Korean names

2004-06-14 Thread Pierre A. Humblet
> > > > Can you run some very simple program demonstrating the problem under > > strace, something like > > strace -o strace-10.txt touch "some short Korean path" > > both under 1.5.10 and 1.5.9? > > Sure. strace-{10,9}.txt are attached, and strace-env.txt, too. > It's the output of ``env'' whe

gftp

2004-06-14 Thread getting_out
I'm trying to compile gftp, but when I do a make I got this error make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gftp-2.0.17' Making all in intl make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gftp-2.0.17/intl' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/lo

Re: log2 as function not as macro

2004-06-14 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jun 14 14:11, Johnny Willemsen wrote: > Hi, > > Are there plans to deliver log2 as regular function instead of macro. The > log2 as macro is hard to use in projects that also define a log2 function. I > know, we can work around it, but it comes back and back again. You could ask this on the ne

Re: vim and python

2004-06-14 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jun 14 09:18, Rohan Shah wrote: > Thanks, that was very helpful. I would like to uninstall the version of > vim that cygwin installed and then re-install vim with python support. > How can I uninstall vim? Use setup.exe. > How can I set path related options? What path > related options sho

Re: vim and python

2004-06-14 Thread Rohan Shah
Thanks, that was very helpful. I would like to uninstall the version of vim that cygwin installed and then re-install vim with python support. How can I uninstall vim? How can I set path related options? What path related options should I use? Rohan Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jun 11 16:54, Roha

log2 as function not as macro

2004-06-14 Thread Johnny Willemsen
Hi, Are there plans to deliver log2 as regular function instead of macro. The log2 as macro is hard to use in projects that also define a log2 function. I know, we can work around it, but it comes back and back again. Regards, Johnny Willemsen Remedy IT Leeghwaterstraat 25 2811 DT Reeuwijk The N

Re: Unable to open files including Korean names

2004-06-14 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jun 14 20:12, Jaeho Shin wrote: > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 02:55:23PM -0400, Pierre A. Humblet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: Please don't quote raw email addresses in a reply! http://cygwin.com/acronyms/index.html#PCYMTNQREAIYR > > Your original mail stated > > "I did some test and found out t

Re: Unable to open files including Korean names

2004-06-14 Thread Jaeho Shin
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:15:41PM -0400, Gregg C Levine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > As for your problem Jaeho Shin, I think the switching of binaries for > the Cygwin DLLs should fix things. At least temporarily. Yeah, I already switched to 1.5.9-1. Everything's fine here. Trying SP2 might he

Passing through the kyeboard layout settings

2004-06-14 Thread Ariel Burbaickij
Hello dear mailing list participants, is it somehow possible to pass through the actual keyboard layout settings of host machine to cygwin console? Here the explanation: Occasionally I need to type in German or Russian or some other languages, so I simply switch the kyeboard layout in Win2000. Is

Re: Annoucement: GCC-3.4.0 binary release candidat

2004-06-14 Thread Tim Prince
At 02:51 AM 6/14/2004, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hi David, >> I'm more curious to know how others managed to build gfortran of 3.5. >> >> Tim Prince > I am trying to get my mainline gcc builds restarted. I managed a build > overnight, including gfortran. I am unaware of any magic. Interesting, shoul

Re: [OT] RE: Bash hangs in WaitForMultipleObjects

2004-06-14 Thread Warren Young
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 06:12:05PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: Now quote *that* line at the top of the snapshots page. I dare you! Done. What's next, "Raw, Naked Code" on the top of the CVS page? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem repor

Re: script command

2004-06-14 Thread Dr. Volker Zell
> Mike Kenny writes: > Brian, > thanks for this link. This is, almost, exactly what I was looking for. But, my compile > fails as it can't (neither can I) find libutil.h. Could you point me to a similar link for > this, or e-mail a copy directly to me? Just uncomment it, i

RE: Bash hangs in WaitForMultipleObjects

2004-06-14 Thread Dave Korn
> -Original Message- > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of jreif > Sent: 14 June 2004 04:42 > Below are more traces of the bash processes hanging on my machine. Stack backtraces aren't any use without compiling both bash and the cygwin .dll from source, using the "-g" flag to put debug info

Re: installing cygwin on private lan

2004-06-14 Thread Jani tiainen
Jani tiainen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip] So is there a Linux version of setup.exe and if not, how do I populate the Linux filesystem from which the DOS box will install Cygwin? Cygwin needs still Windows environment, not DOS environment. And for Linux and Windows co-operation you could

Re: compile error with mysql 4.1.2-alpha

2004-06-14 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
cygwin wrote: > I downloaded mysql 4.0.20 source (not the win version). It fails to > compile with the following error: > = > if gcc -DDEFAULT_BASEDIR=\"/usr/local\" -DDATADIR="\"/usr/local/var\"" > -DDEFAULT_CHARSET_HOME="

Re: Annoucement: GCC-3.4.0 binary release candidat

2004-06-14 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Hi David, >> I'm more curious to know how others managed to build gfortran of 3.5. >> >> Tim Prince > I am trying to get my mainline gcc builds restarted. I managed a build > overnight, including gfortran. I am unaware of any magic. Interesting, should I include gfortran into the distributi

RE: cygwin

2004-06-14 Thread Dave Korn
> -Original Message- > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of risalya aldin > Sent: 14 June 2004 02:58 > To: y50 > Cc: cygwin > Subject: cygwin > > hello there sorry i need help here! > when apache well installed in cygwin and the > servername is localhost. > can i open that site by internet-

Re: grep problems

2004-06-14 Thread Reini Urban
Hannu E K Nevalainen schrieb: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:47 AM I was having some trouble using grep to look for text in files. From some tests it looks like meta characters cause the problem to show itself : To get more info regarding the use/setup of rxvt+bash: Use

RE: installing cygwin on private lan

2004-06-14 Thread Hannu E K Nevalainen
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 8:30 AM > I would like to install Cygwin on a DOS box that doesn't have an > Internet connection but that does have a network connection to a Linux > box. The Linux box is dual-homed (Internet and the private lan) but > does not route betwee

RE: grep problems

2004-06-14 Thread Hannu E K Nevalainen
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:47 AM > All, > > I was having some trouble using grep to look for text in files. > > >From some tests it looks like meta characters cause the problem to show > itself : Well, the "meta characters" has a different meaning for the cygwin/bas

Re: grep problems

2004-06-14 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 10:29:13AM +0200, J?rg Schaible wrote: > > I have upgraded to latest release of Cygwin and this has not > > changed things. I have tried the above on a Windows 98 and > > Windows XP system as well - same results. > > > > Any ideas how I get around this problem ? > > Learn

Re: vim and python

2004-06-14 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jun 11 16:54, Rohan Shah wrote: > How can I add python support to Vim in Cygwin? I have never installed a > package other than the ones listed on the cygwin setup menu. I know that > I have to download the vim source code and compile it with some python > libraries? But how do I do this? Can

RE: grep problems

2004-06-14 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Mark, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 9:47 AM: > I was having some trouble using grep to look for text in files. > > From some tests it looks like meta characters cause the problem to > show itself : > > C:\temp>type test.txt > text > > C:\temp>grep test test.txt > text >

RE: script command

2004-06-14 Thread Mike Kenny - BCX - Infrastructure Services
Thanks Brian, That works - still some garbage output, but it's about time I got my hands dirty again. The script functionality is there, so I'm happy Mike > -Original Message- > From: Brian Dessent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > S

Re: script command

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Dessent
Mike Kenny - BCX - Infrastructure Services wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Brian Dessent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Umm, PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. (http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR) > > "Warren, Matthew (Retail)" wrote: > > > > > Does cygwin provide support the script comm

grep problems

2004-06-14 Thread Mark . Bevan
All, I was having some trouble using grep to look for text in files. >From some tests it looks like meta characters cause the problem to show itself : C:\temp>type test.txt text C:\temp>grep test test.txt text C:\temp>grep text *.txt test.txt:text C:\temp>grep text \temp\test.txt text C:\tem

RE: script command

2004-06-14 Thread Mike Kenny - BCX - Infrastructure Services
Brian, thanks for this link. This is, almost, exactly what I was looking for. But, my compile fails as it can't (neither can I) find libutil.h. Could you point me to a similar link for this, or e-mail a copy directly to me? Thanks Mike > -Original Message- > From: Brian Dessent [mail