Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-13 Thread Daniel Jensen
Providing the functionality of some obscure, barely used project is not a stated goal for Cygwin. No one here is interested in adapting ourselves to people's expectations for the project if the expectations have nothing to do with the goals of the project. ?? unxutils is just a bundle of

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-13 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:44:50AM -0600, Daniel Jensen wrote: Providing the functionality of some obscure, barely used project is not a stated goal for Cygwin. No one here is interested in adapting ourselves to people's expectations for the project if the expectations have nothing to do with the

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-13 Thread Daniel Jensen
cgf, I've been using cygwin off and on for ~14 years and I'm aware what it is and is not. Getting defensive and huffy over a rhetorical (not technical/internal) comparison of cygwin to other collections of tools which provide [with varying completeness] a Linux look and feel environment for

RE: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-12 Thread Daniel Jensen
You'll note, however, that for most distros Perl doesn't depend on openssl, libssp, etc. Also, including extra optional stuff as dependencies is considerably more acceptable when you're installing a primary OS. We expect a Fedora or Arch install to need 10GB and daily security updates. That's

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:37:34AM -0600, Daniel Jensen wrote: You'll note, however, that for most distros Perl doesn't depend on openssl, libssp, etc. Also, including extra optional stuff as dependencies is considerably more acceptable when you're installing a primary OS. We expect a Fedora

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-11 Thread David Stacey
On 11/05/13 01:49, Rick Patterson wrote: I don't use Perl, but even if I did, I don't want my Cygwin bloated with stuff I didn't ask for. I just wanted Vi, and I got a Perl programming environment instead that came with a free vi editor. In Fedora[1] and ArchLinux[2], vim is dependent on

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-11 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
On 2013-05-10 19:49, Rick Patterson wrote: So, the issue seems to be the vim-common common component includes Perl, Yes, and correctly so, as there are five Perl scripts in vim-common. Vi is a standard part of all the UNIXes I've ever worked with So is perl. :-) Yaakov -- Problem

RE: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-10 Thread Rick Patterson
Hi. So, the issue seems to be the vim-common common component includes Perl, and Perl is bringing in all that other stuff. I see there was some discussion on the forums years ago about making this change. It appears that VIM can be built to interface to certain languages like Perl. This is a

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-08 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Rick Patterson! I am wondering why installing VIm installs so many other things:  After doing a default install of Cgwin, and then not finding VIm, I added VIM to the install as well, but found it greatly increased my Cygwin install as follows. Dependencies listed to be

RE: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-08 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
Rick Patterson sent the following at Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:09 PM I am wondering why installing VIm installs so many other things: After doing a default install of Cygwin, and then not finding VIm, I added VIM to the install as well, but found it greatly increased my Cygwin install as follows.

Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff

2013-05-08 Thread Erik Falor
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:43:59PM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, Rick Patterson! There's tons of more useful editors for Windows. I heartily disagree with that statement. I'm not altogether convinced that Cygwin's Vim _needs_ to include the Perl interface, but then again, I usually