On Oct 6 11:09, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:47:15PM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:
> >Go with the Redhat scheme and use "Cygwin 1.6.0".
>
> Please don't do this. Red Hat is using the even numbers. I don't know
> if there is already a 1.6.0 [...]
There is.
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On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:47:15PM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:
>Karl M schrieb:
>>What about calling it B21? ":>
>
>As already discussed on cygwin-talk and as officially described on the
>webpage, "B" stood for Beta that times (up to 1998).
>
>We are already stable since a few years, though we use u
On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 10:19:29PM -0700, Karl M wrote:
>Hi All...
>
>What about calling it B21? ":>
It's as good a name for vaporware as any.
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Karl M schrieb:
What about calling it B21? ":>
As already discussed on cygwin-talk and as officially described on the
webpage, "B" stood for Beta that times (up to 1998).
We are already stable since a few years, though we use uneven version
numbers, marking it as developer releases.
So we coul
On Oct 5 22:19, Karl M wrote:
> Hi All...
>
> What about calling it B21? ":>
*cough*
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Hi All...
What about calling it B21? ":>
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Subject: Re: Request for a version/ revisio
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:31:26 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> Per the Cygwin FAQ (http://cygwin.com/faq.html):
>
> "If you are looking for the version number for the whole Cygwin
> release, there is none. Each package in the Cygwin release has its own
> version. The packages in Cygwin are
> It would seem that bin #1 is consuming the majority of the effort. I
> think that by changing priorities and re-allocating people and
> resources, it should be possible to create integration tests and a
> "stable" distribution. Such would increase Cygwin's acceptance and
> usage for potentially
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Andrew DeFaria
> Sent: 04 October 2004 19:19
> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>
> >> How many people have heard The Two Rules of Customer Service?
> >>
> >> 1. The customer is always right.
> >
> The customer is indeed *NOT* always right b
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
How many people have heard The Two Rules of Customer Service?
1. The customer is always right.
The customer is indeed *NOT* always right but the trick is usually to
make them *think* there always right.
2. When the customer is wrong, refer to rule #1.
Everybody. How man
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, David Christensen wrote:
> I disagree. Assume for a moment that all Cygwin project member
> development efforts can be put into the following bins:
>
> 1. Code development.
>
> 2. Design documentation.
>
> 3. Test suite development.
>
> 4. Test suite documentation.
>
> 5.
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 08:24:35AM -0700, Steven E. Harris wrote:
>Christopher Faylor writes:
>>The total number of unique subscribers to cygwin, cygwin-apps,
>>cygwin-talk, cygwin-xfree is 2542.
>
>That count may fall short by not taking into account those who read,
>say, gmane.os.cygwin, but do n
Christopher Faylor writes:
> The total number of unique subscribers to cygwin, cygwin-apps,
> cygwin-talk, cygwin-xfree is 2542.
That count may fall short by not taking into account those who read,
say, gmane.os.cygwin, but do not subscribe to the cygwin list.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Igor Pechtchanski
> Sent: 04 October 2004 15:31
> I just felt that this sums up the whole volunteering bit
> nicely. Though perhaps it's time to TITTTL...
Seconded!
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Dave Korn wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of David Christensen
> > Sent: 03 October 2004 03:15
>
> > Would you be interested in mentoring a willing volunteer?
>
>
> Certainly. Just stand still right here for just one minute
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of David Christensen
> Sent: 03 October 2004 03:15
> Would you be interested in mentoring a willing volunteer?
Certainly. Just stand still right here for just one minute
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Subject: RE: Request for a version/ revision/ release number for the
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Of David Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 4:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Request for a version/ revision/ release number for the
> whole Cygw
David Christensen wrote:
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Per the Cygwin FAQ (http://cygwin.com/faq.html):
"If you are looking for the version number for the whole Cygwin
release, there is none. Each package in the Cygwin release has its own
version. The packages in Cygwin are continually improving, than
Thank you for participating in this discussion. It may turn out to be an
important issue in the future--however, I think there may be a few general
concepts that have been used by participants in the discussion which
concepts' meanings are not the same by all participants. This message does
not con
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 01:28:52PM -0500, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>[David Christensen wrote:]
> > Actually, I have already copied my Cygwin package tree to a
> > CD for installing on other computers. I need to review the
> > Cygwin license to see if a third-party distribution is allowed.
> >
On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 06:07:18PM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:
>Well, the only good reason to start such a project would be monetary
>benefits. Besides the simplification of having a (stable) cygwin
>snapshot release from time to time, where all packages play well
>together.
>
>And I don't see any p
Gary R. Van Sickle schrieb:
It would increase the amount of work application developers (assuming you
mean package maintainers) would have to do. More work for no pay has never
been welcomed by anybody in the history of the world.
Well, they only good reason to start such a project would be moneta
> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > I'm one of the maintainers of the Cygwin DLL ... [and]
> about 25 ported
> > software packages.
> > Creating a distribution ... is clearly the job for somebody else.
>
> OK Corinna is very busy.
>
All people involved are very busy.
> Jorg Schaible wrote:
> > Wi
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 09:49:29PM -0700, Brian Dessent wrote:
>David Christensen wrote:
>
>> If we can build a fully automated Cygwin "stable" test suite and
>> parallelize it across many computers (wishful thinking: SETI screen
>> saver), it may be possible to do 100% testing of all changes prior
David Christensen wrote:
> If we can build a fully automated Cygwin "stable" test suite and
> parallelize it across many computers (wishful thinking: SETI screen
> saver), it may be possible to do 100% testing of all changes prior to
> release -- major, minor, and updates.
Fortunately for all the
On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, David Christensen wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for your comments. I have tried to respond to each person
>> who replied, but may have omitted those where their topic is already
>> covered below.
>> [snip]
>>
>> Da
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, David Christensen wrote:
> Thank you all for your comments. I have tried to respond to each person
> who replied, but may have omitted those where their topic is already
> covered below.
> [snip]
>
> Dave Korn wrote:
> > http://cygwin.com/acronyms#PCYMTNQREAIYR
>
> Is there a
Thank you all for your comments. I have tried to respond to each person
who replied, but may have omitted those where their topic is already
covered below.
Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> I'm one of the maintainers of the Cygwin DLL ... [and] about 25
> ported software packages.
> Creating a distrib
> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> > No, test development should be done by people not involved with the
> > development of the software under test, or you have a
> conflict of interest.
>
> Not entirely true. There's "whitebox" testing -- where
> knowledge of internals is used to craft the test; t
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
No, test development should be done by people not involved with the
development of the software under test, or you have a conflict of interest.
Not entirely true. There's "whitebox" testing -- where knowledge of
internals is used to craft the test; this is often done by
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 12:03:02PM -0700, Brian Dessent wrote:
>David Christensen wrote:
>>This wish was inspired by my positive experiences with Debian "stable"
>>-- e.g. feature frozen, unit and integration tested, with updates
>>limited to bug and security fixes.
>>
>>Please note that Debian is
David Christensen wrote:
> This wish was inspired by my positive experiences with Debian "stable"
> -- e.g. feature frozen, unit and integration tested, with updates
> limited to bug and security fixes.
>
> Please note that Debian is a volunteer effort:
>
> http://www.debian.org/devel/jo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> Thank you all for your replies thus far. I suspected that my
> posting would generate traffic. :-)
>
>
> > I would especially like to request that there be a "stable"
> distribution.
>
> This wish was inspired by my positive experiences with Debian "stable"
> -- e.g.
> On Oct 1 05:08, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> > 1. Roll up your sleeves, get to work, and let the list know when
> > you're done. "The maintainers" (yes, I'm looking at you
> Chris) will
> > at best see this as a threat to their little fifedom, and the only
> > "help" you'll get will be in t
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 12:03:09AM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>
There is no reason to include the email address in your messages. That
just adds spam fodder to the archives.
>>p.s. I hereby volunteer my time to work on implementing my request.
>
>I'm still waiting to hear from somebody "in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thank you all for your replies thus far. I suspected that my posting
would generate traffic. :-)
> I would especially like to request that there be a "stable"
distribution.
This wish was inspired by my positive experiences with Debian "stable"
-- e.g. feature frozen, unit a
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 06:05:06PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote:
>Peter A. Castro wrote:
>>to keep up with the flow. Yes, it may be a little painful if you
>>haven't refreshed in a while (say, from the "b20" days :), but you will
>>have
>
>Ah. Cygwin B20.1. Man, those were the days. Cygwin was p
Peter A. Castro wrote:
to keep up with the flow. Yes, it may be a little painful if you haven't
refreshed in a while (say, from the "b20" days :), but you will have
Ah. Cygwin B20.1. Man, those were the days. Cygwin was practically
perfect in every way, bugfree, and featureful. It even made c
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 04:54:36PM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:22:56 -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:15:25PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >> >As I said, I very am familiar w
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Eric Hanchrow wrote:
> For what it's worth, I'm at this very moment moving my company's build
> system away from Cygwin, for precisely reason number 4: I cannot tell
> customers which Cygwin version to get.
Stock answer: use what's current
Cygwin is an ever-changing project a
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 04:54:36PM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:22:56 -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:15:25PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> >As I said, I very am familiar with the effort that goes into releasing
>>
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:22:56 -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:15:25PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >As I said, I very am familiar with the effort that goes into releasing
> am very
> cgf
> (who only sees these things after hitting 'y' or when pe
For what it's worth, I'm at this very moment moving my company's build
system away from Cygwin, for precisely reason number 4: I cannot tell
customers which Cygwin version to get.
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On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:15:25PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>As I said, I very am familiar with the effort that goes into releasing
am very
cgf
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On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:52:15AM -0500, Fred Kulack wrote:
>On 10/01/2004 at 12:31:34 AM, cygwin-owner wrote:
>Every O/S and application I've used had a release number for the whole
>thing; Cygwin should as well.
>--- end of excerpt ---
>
>At a minimum, I think that's quite an oversimplification
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor
> Sent: 01 October 2004 17:24
> This assumes that somehow the cron-2.6.2 EOF issue (I'm not familiar
> with this and don't recall seeing it mentioned here)
He meant rsync, not cron, and he meant EOL, not EOF, but
On 10/01/2004 at 12:31:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Every O/S and application
I've used had a release number for the whole thing; Cygwin should as
well.
--- end of excerpt ---
At a minimum, I think that's quite an oversimplification and perhaps
factually untrue?
Have you used a Linux distribu
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 10:31:26PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>cygwin blah..
http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR
>Per the Cygwin FAQ (http://cygwin.com/faq.html):
>"If you are looking for the version number for the whole Cygwin
>release, there is none. Each package in the Cygwin rele
On Oct 1 14:16, Dave Korn wrote:
> Or you can take option b), and pay someone to do this work for you: I'm
> sure Red Hat would still be glad to discuss terms for Cygwin support contracts.
Absolutely.
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> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of David Christensen
> Sent: 01 October 2004 06:31
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://cygwin.com/acronyms#PCYMTNQREAIYR, then please don't go and manually
enter any either!
> Per the Cygwin FAQ (http://cygwin.com/faq.html):
>
> "If yo
David Christensen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Per the Cygwin FAQ (http://cygwin.com/faq.html):
"If you are looking for the version number for the whole Cygwin
release, there is none. Each package in the Cygwin release has its own
version. The packages in Cygwin are continually improving, thanks to th
David Christensen wrote on Friday, October 01, 2004 7:31 AM:
[snip]
> I would like to request that this policy be reversed -- that
> there be a version number for the entire Cygwin release.
> Every O/S and application I've used had a release number for
> the whole thing; Cygwin should as well.
R
On Oct 1 05:08, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> 1. Roll up your sleeves, get to work, and let the list know when you're
> done. "The maintainers" (yes, I'm looking at you Chris) will at best see
> this as a threat to their little fifedom, and the only "help" you'll get
> will be in the form of snide
> I would like to request that this policy be reversed -- that
> there be a version number for the entire Cygwin release.
> Every O/S and application I've used had a release number for
> the whole thing; Cygwin should as well.
>
>
> I would especially like to request that there be a "stable"
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