LogJam
by CryptoPunk
The following information is described for the purposes of education
only. I do not condone the use of this information for illegal purposes,
nor am I responsible for any misuses of this information
At 2:38 PM -0800 2/25/00, Anton STIGLIC wrote:
> LogJam
>
>by CryptoPunk
Hardly. This bozo doesn't deserve to rip off our name for his nonsensical
rants.
...
>certain image, and more. Web servers are tracing
At 3:14 PM -0800 2/25/00, Tim May wrote:
> Rarely is the demographic data they seek more valuable than
>the profit on the sale; all the more so if the customer plans to walk away
I apologize for this error...it's something I'm usually sensitive to.
"Rarely _are_ the demographic data the
>
> At 2:38 PM -0800 2/25/00, Anton STIGLIC wrote:
> > LogJam
> >
> >by CryptoPunk
>
> Hardly. This bozo doesn't deserve to rip off our name for his nonsensical
> rants.
What name did I ri
At 03:14 PM 2/25/2000 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>
>
>A better analogy is this: does a grocery store owner have the "right" to
>remember the fact that Tim May bought several sixpacks of beer on his trip
>to the grocer's store?
>
Actually it's more like the store owner logging your name when you come i
And then the grocery sells that info to a national database that
adds it to all the other info on you. Which the cops can access to see
just how much alcohol Tim is using these days, and maybe they need to put
his vehicle description/plates on a watch list to stop for DWI checks
whenever
At 08:19 AM 2/27/00 -0500, Jay Holovacs wrote:
>Actually it's more like the store owner logging your name when you come in
>just to take a look at his price for beer (and he doesn't even have to ask
>you, because his security system will just query your ID smartcard).
Well, why is something you
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From: "Jay Holovacs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Actually it's more like the store owner logging your name when you come in
> just to take a look at his price for beer (and he doesn't even have to ask
> you, because his security system will just query your ID smartcard). And
> whil
> You teach *little kids* not to give out personal info to cold
> calls over the phone. You can teach overgizmo'd proles too.
Well, that's easily said, but not so easily done. Little kid
Joe gets a Unix school account. He sees that you can put some
info in your finger sig, so he puts his phon
Marcel Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Actually it's more like the store owner logging your name when you come in
> > just to take a look at his price for beer (and he doesn't even have to ask
> > you, because his security system will just query your ID smartcard). And
> > while he's at
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From: "Adam Back" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hmmm, but do you have the right to be comply maliciously.. by sending
> him so much identifying info (long names mapping to long URLs in this
> analogy) that his database fills up, and until he notices he doesn't
> record any more marke
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From: "STIGLIC Anton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> How many people do you think are aware of all this tracking?
> How many people do you think know that every message posted do a news
> group is archieved, forever?
So, once again, the proper way to handle this is educating people.
>> Actually it's more like the store owner logging your name when you come in
>> just to take a look at his price for beer (and he doesn't even have to ask
>> you, because his security system will just query your ID smartcard). And
>> while he's at it, checking which store you came from and which
At 08:36 AM 02/27/2000 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Most libraries vetoed the idea of "customer tracking" long, long ago,
>after the FBI started visiting libraries demanding that they be given the
>records of what certain people -- commies -- were reading. Library
>computers automatically de
> At 08:36 AM 02/27/2000 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> > Most libraries vetoed the idea of "customer tracking" long, long ago,
> >after the FBI started visiting libraries demanding that they be given the
> >records of what certain people -- commies -- were reading. Library
> >computers automa
At 3:59 AM -0800 2/29/00, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>> At 08:36 AM 02/27/2000 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>> > Most libraries vetoed the idea of "customer tracking" long, long ago,
>> >after the FBI started visiting libraries demanding that they be given the
>> >records of what certain people -- c
Tim May wrote:
>
> You'd be surprised at how many libraries have their own filtering rules,
> implemented either with filters (like SafeSurf and its cousins) or with
> rules about which sites may be visited.
>
> Here in my County, Santa Cruz County, the Internet terminals are restricted
> in var
At 11:43 AM -0800 2/29/00, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Obviously I can't speak for every library everywhere. but often
>it's the
>local gov that pushes this. City, county, etc. And obviously also, most
>libraries are going to discourage visits to porn sites on public
>terminals, what
>choice
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From: Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Which brings up another topic. How would libraries be funded
in a
> true libertarian society? Privately? 8-) 8-) I've given that a lot of
> thought, and am quite familiar with library costs, etc. There's not any
poss
On Sun, 5 Mar 100 23:17:57 - STIGLIC Anton wrote:
>
>Yes, but remember we started a discussion in this subject so as to
>give a real life analogy of what happens on the Web. Businesses who
>sale you stuff face to face are probably going to go for the sale
>over getting information. But the
> And then the grocery sells that info to a national database that
>adds it to all the other info on you. Which the cops can access to see
>just how much alcohol Tim is using these days, and maybe they need to put
>his vehicle description/plates on a watch list to stop for DWI checks
>whene
Yes, but remember we started a discussion in this subject so as to
give a real life analogy of what happens on the Web. Businesses who
sale you stuff face to face are probably going to go for the sale
over getting information. But then, just take AirMiles for examaple,
do you think they are
At 11:38 PM 2/27/00 -0500, STIGLIC Anton wrote:
>> You teach *little kids* not to give out personal info to cold
>> calls over the phone. You can teach overgizmo'd proles too.
>
>Well, that's easily said, but not so easily done. Little kid
>Joe gets a Unix school account. He sees that you can
At 06:44 AM 02/28/2000 -0800, David Honig wrote:
>>How many people do you think know that every message posted do a news
>>group is archieved, forever?
>
>Everyone, nowadays.
>In '86, when I started posting, it was only an abstract suspicion. Now,
>however, its well known --and deja lets
>you
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