Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-04 Thread reject
Obviously, assorted FedGoons(tm) dislike untraceable money. Nasty terrorists, child pornographers, drug dealers, and other horsemen could hide their "profits" then... But is there a *legitimate* reason to have anti-money-laundering laws? I can't think of any, but perhaps I'm being naive.

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-06 Thread bram
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: > > > >> This was and is rather expensive. Each CTR (currency > >> transaction report) > >> costs a bank between $5 and $25 to process. > > [...] > > Any other questions? Why aren't the banks lobbying he

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-06 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 6:44 PM -0800 on 3/6/00, bram wrote: > Why aren't the banks lobbying heavily to get rid of those laws so they can > save money? Or do they appreciate the increased barriers to entry to their > industry? Yes, and yes. :-). Remember what Milton Friedman said, regulations only benefit the reg

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-07 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
>Why aren't the banks lobbying heavily to get rid of those laws so they can >save money? Or do they appreciate the increased barriers to entry to their >industry? Viewing banks as something different from the entrenched power structures is a fallacy (very similar to the "free market" fallacy.)

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-07 Thread David Honig
At 12:04 PM 3/7/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >All this ranting about payer/payee privacy and anon e-cash and so on is >pointless bit generation by sedated minds. It can happen only in your head. You're ripping off McNealy's "there is no privacy, so bend over and enjoy it" shrugging...

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-05 Thread Black Unicorn
> On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: > >> This was and is rather expensive. Each CTR (currency >> transaction report) >> costs a bank between $5 and $25 to process. [...] >> That's $150 dollars spent in CTRs to appropriate >> a single dollar of "evil" money. Those are just the stats fo

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-06 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:43 PM 03/04/2000 -0600, Black Unicorn wrote: >What money laundering laws _have_ done is make it much easier to coerce and >convict a host of smaller and more harmless crimes. They have also given >investigators (private and public) much greater access to the financial >habits and dealings

Re: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, reject wrote: > Obviously, assorted FedGoons(tm) dislike untraceable money. Nasty > terrorists, child pornographers, drug dealers, and other horsemen could > hide their "profits" then... > > But is there a *legitimate* reason to have anti-money-laundering laws? I > can't

RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-04 Thread Black Unicorn
> From: reject [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Purpose of anti-laundering laws? > > > Obviously, assorted FedGoons(tm) dislike untraceable money. Nasty > terrorists, child pornographers, drug dealers, and other horsemen could > hide their &quo

Re: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-04 Thread dmolnar
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, reject wrote: > > Obviously, assorted FedGoons(tm) dislike untraceable money. Nasty > terrorists, child pornographers, drug dealers, and other horsemen could > hide their "profits" then... > > But is there a *legitimate* reason to have anti-money-laundering laws? I > ca

Re: RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: > This was and is rather expensive. Each CTR (currency transaction report) > costs a bank between $5 and $25 to process. From 1987-1996 U.S. banks filed > more than 77,000,000 million Currency Transaction Reports at a cost to > consumers of over 1.2 bi

Re: RE: Purpose of anti-laundering laws?

2000-03-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Black Unicorn wrote: > > Did you make it up? > > Not at all. All in (among other places) the Congressional Record. > Any other questions? Nope, thanks for the vector. The future is dow

Pulling the rug ( was "Purpose of anti-laundering laws?" )

2000-03-06 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 6:44 PM -0800 on 3/6/00, bram wrote: > > > Why aren't the banks lobbying heavily to get rid of those laws so they can > > save money? Or do they appreciate the increased barriers to entry to their > > industry? > > Yes, and yes. :-). > > Remem