RE: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-07 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
David Molnar writes: > If payment mixes come online and the only visible users are "money > launderers", then this common carrier argument will be difficult. > Unfortunately, it seems to me that the early adopters of payment mixes may > well be the "money launderers" -- it may take a while to con

RE: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-07 Thread Black Unicorn
> At 09:54 AM 3/7/00 -0500, Fisher Mark wrote: > >Matter of fact, what a remailer network that does payment mixes for > >anonymity _is_ money laundering, pure and simple. The essence of money > >laundering is concealing where a glop of money comes from, which is exactly > >what the PMFA is doin

RE: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-07 Thread Fisher Mark
>Under the same statutes the phone company could be prosecuted for "money >laundering" if they refused to provide taps to suspected criminals. Although IANAL, I'd say the phone company would fall under the accomplice statutes -- aiding and abetting a crime and all that. These same statutes would

RE: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-07 Thread David Honig
At 09:54 AM 3/7/00 -0500, Fisher Mark wrote: >Matter of fact, what a remailer network that does payment mixes for >anonymity _is_ money laundering, pure and simple. The essence of money >laundering is concealing where a glop of money comes from, which is exactly >what the PMFA is doing. Cash ha

Re: Re: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-06 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:19 PM -0500 3/6/00, dmolnar wrote: > If payment mixes come online and the only visible users are "money > launderers", then this common carrier argument will be difficult. > Unfortunately, it seems to me that the early adopters of payment mixes may > well be the "money launderers" -- it may

Re: Re: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-06 Thread Eric Murray
On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 06:54:15PM -0600, Jim Burnes wrote: > Black Unicorn wrote: > > > > "Knowingly concealing or attempting to conceal the proceeds of a crime" is a > > concept that is a good start. > > Can "common carrier" status be achieved? If you claim to be promoting > simple high-qual

Re: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-06 Thread dmolnar
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: > Black Unicorn wrote: > > > > "Knowingly concealing or attempting to conceal the proceeds of a crime" is a > > concept that is a good start. > > Can "common carrier" status be achieved? If you claim to be promoting > simple high-quality privacy then yo

Re: Mixes or Laundering? Re: Payment mixes for anonymity

2000-03-06 Thread Jim Burnes
Black Unicorn wrote: > > "Knowingly concealing or attempting to conceal the proceeds of a crime" is a > concept that is a good start. Can "common carrier" status be achieved? If you claim to be promoting simple high-quality privacy then you could plausibly deny "knowingly or attempting to conc