Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-05 Thread John Young
Here's the source for the data preservation requirement: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/COEFAQs.htm Preservation is not a new idea; it has been the law in the United States for nearly five years. 18 U.S.C. 2703(f) requires an electronic communications service provider to "take all

Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-05 Thread John Young
Jim Choate wrote: > >Actually your cite is the wrong one. It has nothing to do with a court >issuance. There has never been a question in that regard. As I said in a >earlier note, destruction of evidence is a crime which is well covered. As >soon as you have any reason to believe it's evidence (a

Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-05 Thread Greg Newby
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:05:37PM -0500, John Young wrote: > The lilly-livered sys admins who betray people's trust in their systems > are a plague on the Internet, all braying about the need to secure their > systems from bad users, and all of them -- along with their bosses > and investors who

Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-05 Thread Mark Allyn
Use PGP. If you want to blab without being traced, go to the local public library or netcafe. Some airports now have netcafe's that accept cash without ID. As a sysadmin, I often have to troubleshoot mail. That exposes me to email. I try only to look at headers and ignore bodies, but I am still

Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:22:30PM -0500, Greg Newby wrote: > > Bottom line, as usual, is to trust no-one, including ISPs > or sysadmins that have a strong privacy ethic. On the web sites that I maintain, I have a stated policy that we intend to challenge subpoenas for our web logs and user data

RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Vogt
Tim May wrote: > > At 1:41 PM +0100 12/8/00, Tom Vogt wrote: > >Me wrote: > > In English it is preferable to write "I wrote," though "Me wrote" is > honored in some subcultures. that part is put in automatically by netscape. I don't usually add obvious statements like "look, I can write" to my

RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-11 Thread Tim May
At 12:45 PM +0100 12/11/00, Tom Vogt wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> >> At 1:41 PM +0100 12/8/00, Tom Vogt wrote: >> >Me wrote: >> >> In English it is preferable to write "I wrote," though "Me wrote" is >> honored in some subcultures. > >that part is put in automatically by netscape. I don't usually

Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-08 Thread Trei, Peter
> Tom Vogt[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > the muslim veil, on the other hand, IS a sharp boundary. as I understand > it, it is NOT permisable to lift it in public under ANY circumstances. > > rounding that up, I'd guess that if we were religious about our privacy, > things may be different (possib

Re: CDR: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-08 Thread Tom Vogt
Me wrote: > > that would be interesting to watch. for those people, the > > "masquerade" is NON optional, and - as I understand it > > - they simply can't give in. contrary to all the internet > privacy, > > where we are unwilling to give in to even more privacy being > > taken away, but we CAN >

Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-08 Thread Tom Vogt
"Trei, Peter" wrote: > > rounding that up, I'd guess that if we were religious about our privacy, > > things may be different (possibly just more ugly, but who knows). > > > Be careful about making sweeping generalizations about Islamic cultures; > they vary almost as much as Christian and Jewish

Re: CDR: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-08 Thread Tim May
At 1:41 PM +0100 12/8/00, Tom Vogt wrote: >Me wrote: In English it is preferable to write "I wrote," though "Me wrote" is honored in some subcultures. > > > if i were to cloak my desire for privacy in the words of the >> Great Squid, would it be more legitimate? > >does it matter? > >the point

Re: CDR: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-12 Thread Tom Vogt
Tim May wrote: > Lighten up. It was a joke. > > (I even provided a hint, in the "honored in some cultures.") sorry, I've been working overtime on some stuff here lately, and I was too tired to get it. also, I'm tired of the nitpicking some people here exhibit as if there were nothing more import

Re: Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-09 Thread Me
- Original Message - From: "Mark Allyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I see masks everywhere during Haloween. Is this illegal? Probably; most things are. But, as long as you don't confess, how could it be proven?