, the above are just my opinions.
Andrew Alston / Vortexia
irc.blabber.net - Server Administrator
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: Anarchy Eroded: Project
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Andrew Alston wrote:
Further more, IRC does NOT take that much bandwidth, there is a myth that
efnet NEEDS OC3 links etc because of the traffic that is passed across it,
what people dont say is that the servers actually only run at between 1 and
2 megabit/second if you
At 10:01 AM 12/31/00 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
Jim Choate writes:
Making people "part of the process" is one of the first things one learns
in management. How to simultaneously make sure they have zero chance of
actually altering what you have planned for them is the second thing.
They
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Steve Schear wrote:
Uh, right. Let us know when you have working code.
It shouldn't be very hard to bridge Usenet and Mojo Nation.
If memory serves, there is a project underway to do "usenet-on-freenet."
-David
Dillinger
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:08 PM
To: Andrew Alston
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Anarchy Eroded: Project Efnext
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Andrew Alston wrote:
Further more, IRC does NOT take that much bandwidth, there is a myth that
efnet NEEDS OC3 links etc because
David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since no one has yet mentioned it, Ryan Lackey once mentioned a
secure chat program.. Zephyr? Gale? (the name was related to some
other existing, insecure chat program)
MIT uses Zephyr for text messaging. It's not secure, but it can
authenticate with
At 02:52 AM 12/31/00 -0500, dmolnar wrote:
Something I don't see much of on the efxnet page - "why?"
This is in the FAQ:
"EFNext is the name of a project geared towards making IRC a more stable,
uniform, chat environment."
and they say "introductory document coming soon." I still don't know
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Eric Cordian wrote:
A typical citizen-unit will quickly trade a large amount of privacy for a
small amount of convenience.
Sheeple-shearing is never so successful as when it's "voluntary."
Then it seems imperative to find ways to acheive both convenience and
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, dmolnar wrote:
Something I don't see much of on the efxnet page - "why?"
This is in the FAQ:
"EFNext is the name of a project geared towards making IRC a more stable,
uniform, chat environment."
and they say "introductory document coming soon." I still don't
One of the problems that efnext is trying to address, and
a cause of network instability is DOS attacks against
servers by little kiddies that want to take over channels.
Not that I'm for or against the new network, but it seems
that building a consensus and peer review of the protocols
would be
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At 10:17 PM 12/30/2000 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
Note that the two things IRC really needs, end to end encryption and
authentication, are not even on the list of "improvements" these
people are working on.
Is there a forum where it is appropriate to discuss such improvements?
The
Jim Choate writes:
A typical citizen-unit will quickly trade a large amount of privacy for
a small amount of convenience.
That begs the question and misrepresents reality to a good degree. People
take the choices they think they have, usually those choices are made
available by the party
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Eric Cordian wrote:
Jim Choate writes:
So much for belief in free markets. You realise that there is nothing
that requires servers to install this, or cease using the old network?
Note that the two things IRC really needs, end to end encryption and
authentication, are
Almost since the inception of the Internet, Usenet and IRC have been
uncensorable distributed resources defined only by adherence to published
protocols.
With no centralized administration, and resilience against the loss of
individual servers, they carry enough traffic to provide complete and
Jim Choate writes:
So much for belief in free markets. You realise that there is nothing
that requires servers to install this, or cease using the old network?
A typical citizen-unit will quickly trade a large amount of privacy for a
small amount of convenience.
Sheeple-shearing is never so
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Eric Cordian wrote:
Unknown to much of the Internet, there is a plan brewing to "upgrade"
Efnet, the primary IRC network, to something called "Efnext." Server
software is being rewritten and tested. Efnet server admins have been
contacted and promises to move to the
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