Bell Grand Jury Experience

2001-01-28 Thread John Young
I've written up notes on the Bell grand jury experience, a bit too long, too entrapping in this tar pit, to post here: http://cryptome.org/jdg-gje.htm Others have told me about being warned by Robb London about perjury and self-incrimination during testimony. Lawyers say this is standard

Re: CDR: Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-27 Thread John Young
Bear wrote: >There's a Pattern Here. And I even think the pattern is >based on public communications. One point: Robb London kept referring to posts to cypherpunks as if they were between individuals, say me and Jim Bell. I had to point out that the messages were to the cypherpunks list not be

Re: CDR: Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-27 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, John Young wrote: >Choate wrote: > >>How the wind changes... > >The point, hardhead, is to keep communications public. >Private stuff can be leveraged into a subpoena. Not >your own private stuff, somebody else's. Like your CDR >rat. It's flatly weird to me to see which p

Re: CDR: Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-27 Thread John Young
Choate wrote: >How the wind changes... The point, hardhead, is to keep communications public. Private stuff can be leveraged into a subpoena. Not your own private stuff, somebody else's. Like your CDR rat. I handed my subpoenaed material (public messages to cpunks and the HTML subpoena on Cry

Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-27 Thread John Young
During the grand jury questioning I was asked about only one person besides Jim Bell and the CIA-fictional "Mueller" and this was someone whose name I did not know. The name could have been as fictional as the other two. Do not send me private email or snail mail or telephone or visit. Consider

Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-26 Thread A. Melon
mmotyka said: > I wonder what's the budget to date for chasing down one apparently not > so dangerous guy? They may be creating, at great expense ( is there > another way for a government to create? ), what it is they want to find. > If they push him over the edge, in 5 years or so they can have

Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-26 Thread mmotyka
I wonder what's the budget to date for chasing down one apparently not so dangerous guy? They may be creating, at great expense ( is there another way for a government to create? ), what it is they want to find. If they push him over the edge, in 5 years or so they can have a real manhunt with bul

Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-25 Thread George
JYA wrote: #This morning I testified before a Grand Jury in #Western Washington District Court, Seattle, which #is investigating Jim Bell for interstate stalking #of federal officials. Remind me, how did you get selected for this cash cow? #I will attempt to get a transcript

Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-25 Thread John Young
This morning I testified before a Grand Jury in Western Washington District Court, Seattle, which is investigating Jim Bell for interstate stalking of federal officials. The testimony concerned what I knew about alleged CIA employee Mueller and Jim's alleged gathering of personsal information