Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them Do you know how to make a pencil? Could you make a pencil without the boss providing the tools, the materials, and the direction on how to use those tools and materials. Let us see your pencil.

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote: Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. You are not going to build the Trump tower, except one man has the vision, the knowledge, and the skills, and a thousand people give effect to his vision. If you had a thousand people making it up as they go along,

FBI Extorts and Operates Phantom Secure Phone Network

2019-09-18 Thread grarpamp
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pa73dz/fbi-tried-to-plant-backdoor-in-encrypted-phone-phantom-secure

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jamesd
On 2019-09-19 08:28, Punk wrote: It is 'self-evident' that even to this very day little things like say, skycrapers or huge container ships are not made by 'machines'. They are made by people using tools. Lots of uh, WORKERS, work, for instance, in construction. But they would not be

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread jim bell
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 01:54:28 PM PDT, Razer wrote: On September 18, 2019 1:24:19 PM PDT, jim bell wrote: >>Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow >>entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the >>products the machine

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread Razer
On September 18, 2019 1:24:19 PM PDT, jim bell wrote: >Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow >entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the >products the machine is producing?   Rather than merely being >compensated for their time and

Re: "Russia carried out a 'stunning' breach of FBI communications system"

2019-09-18 Thread coderman
https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1173990631540236288 Thinking about the FBI CI comms / Russia story some more (and chatting with some folks), I think most (but not all) of both the radio compromise and the PTT phone app compromise can be explained by systematic exploitation of known

Re: Libertarian Economic Logic (chart attached)

2019-09-18 Thread John Newman
On September 18, 2019 5:18:08 AM UTC, grarpamp wrote: >On 9/17/19, Punk wrote: >> Dude get a couple of books. One on political >> philosophy, the other on economics. > >If you actually bothered to list your books, >people might actually bother to pick them >up and read them. > >So what exactly

AI Surveillance: FaceBook Doubles Down Development Deployment of Censorship Tech

2019-09-18 Thread grarpamp
AI, surveillance, spying, databasing, secrecy, censorship, precrime, expanding... you're 0wn3d mate. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/technology/facebook-hate-speech-extremism.html https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/09/combating-hate-and-extremism/