Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 03:15:16AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > > Where's the profit motive to develop things that can be sold on basis of > > value when the IP value is destroyed using an open architecture model? > > > > It's a lot of work to develop a CPU design and it costs a lot of money > >

From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-05-18 Thread grarpamp
> Where's the profit motive to develop things that can be sold on basis of > value when the IP value is destroyed using an open architecture model? > > It's a lot of work to develop a CPU design and it costs a lot of money (well > north of $50M). Who pays for that when the value is destroyed by

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-05-15 Thread grarpamp
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Steven Schear wrote: > A good example of why totally open chips are problematic in the commercial > world. > > Spectre/Meltdown Pits Transparency Against Liability: Which is More > Important to You? >

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-05-14 Thread Steven Schear
A good example of why totally open chips are problematic in the commercial world. Spectre/Meltdown Pits Transparency Against Liability: Which is More Important to You? https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5127 As always, the devil is in the details. " You can’t have it both ways: the whole

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-27 Thread jamesd
On 3/28/2018 4:43 AM, juan wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:09:00 + Steven Schear wrote: Its one thing to have open CPUs but what about the rest of the hardware you need to build actual products? The best answers today are probably only be found in Shenzhen.

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-27 Thread juan
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:09:00 + Steven Schear wrote: > Its one thing to have open CPUs but what about the rest of the > hardware you need to build actual products? The best answers today > are probably only be found in Shenzhen. > >

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-24 Thread Razer
Original message From: Steven Schear <schear.st...@gmail.com> Date: 3/24/18 5:09 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly Its one thing to have open CPUs but what about the rest of the hardwa

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-24 Thread Steven Schear
Its one thing to have open CPUs but what about the rest of the hardware you need to build actual products? The best answers today are probably only be found in Shenzhen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY On Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 9:13 AM Steven Schear wrote: >

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:13:02AM -0700, Steven Schear wrote: > http://parallel.princeton.edu/openpiton/open_source_processors.php Looks like some nice architecture stuff being explored here, reducing core-count coherence overhead ("up to 64" core coherence domains are optimized) and reducing

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-21 Thread g2s
Original message From: Steven Schear <schear.st...@gmail.com> Date: 3/21/18 9:13 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: From sand to silicon chips, openly http://parallel.princeton.edu/openpiton/open_source_processors.php Say bu

From sand to silicon chips, openly

2018-03-21 Thread Steven Schear
http://parallel.princeton.edu/openpiton/open_source_processors.php