Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 09:50:04PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Steven Schear wrote: > > What I meant, if you are holding and sharing an entire file of some really > > sensitive content and depend on networking technologies known or assumed to

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 09:27:21PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > "Filesharing" could be designed lots of ways, doesn't have to > be "bittorrent protocol" proper. Though if it was compatible > with BT clients you'd have millions of instant users / nodes > in your encrypted anonymous ecosystem. A nice

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 09:27:21PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Steven Schear wrote: > > These trackers > > These *websites* are not actually "trackers" and have generally > shifted away from providing tracker service ever since legal pressure

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread grarpamp
While it might be agreed that Tor has certain non-code / monetary / political issues, why discriminate on that when the code of all current overlay networks does not do much to defeat GPA's and Sybil's that are well known to be in existance. Let's see something on the market that claims resistance

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 05:31:00PM -0700, Razer wrote: > > > On 05/21/2017 04:07 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/17/1830228/popular-torrent-site-extratorrent-permanently-shuts-down > > https://torrentfreak.com/extratorrent-shuts-down-for-good-170517/ > > > >

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
> On May 21, 2017 4:09 PM, "grarpamp" wrote: > > > https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/17/1830228/popular-torrent-site- > > extratorrent-permanently-shuts-down > > https://torrentfreak.com/extratorrent-shuts-down-for-good-170517/ > > > > ExtraTorrent is the latest in a

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread grarpamp
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Steven Schear wrote: > What I meant, if you are holding and sharing an entire file of some really > sensitive content and depend on networking technologies known or assumed to > have flaws which can expose your IP address you have

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread grarpamp
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Steven Schear wrote: > These trackers These *websites* are not actually "trackers" and have generally shifted away from providing tracker service ever since legal pressure made bundling services riskier, and a new independantly operated

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Razer
On 05/21/2017 04:07 PM, grarpamp wrote: > https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/17/1830228/popular-torrent-site-extratorrent-permanently-shuts-down > https://torrentfreak.com/extratorrent-shuts-down-for-good-170517/ > > ExtraTorrent is the latest in a series of BitTorrent giants to fall in >

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Steven Schear
These trackers need to adopt distributed hosting tech, like IPFS or NetZero, so there are no single points of pressure/failure and the operator IP and identity have a reasonable chance of staying private from technical snooping. Warrant Canary creator On May 21, 2017 4:09 PM, "grarpamp"

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread grarpamp
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/17/1830228/popular-torrent-site-extratorrent-permanently-shuts-down https://torrentfreak.com/extratorrent-shuts-down-for-good-170517/ ExtraTorrent is the latest in a series of BitTorrent giants to fall in recent months. Previously, sites including

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Steven Schear
What I meant, if you are holding and sharing an entire file of some really sensitive content and depend on networking technologies known or assumed to have flaws which can expose your IP address you have relinquished ability to deny it. Whereas is this content has been published, using something

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread grarpamp
> Mojo was being developed contemporanously with Freenet and shares some of > its distributed features. It was sort of like Freenet + a resource based > currency. True. > You do not want a filesharing system as it removes any hope of > plausible deniability for content. Huh? If it's encrypted

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread Steven Schear
Warrant Canary creator On May 20, 2017 10:46 PM, "Steve Kinney" wrote: On 05/21/2017 12:32 AM, grarpamp wrote: > Rewards seem nice, yet not everyone who wants to play > can pay, or the math overhead is crushing, or it becomes > centralized. Definitely worth trying,

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-21 Thread juan
On Sun, 21 May 2017 01:45:20 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote: > Now I think you're describing Freenet. How doth Freenet suck, let me > count the ways... actually freenet seems like the best project of its kind. It's not garbage produced by the pentagon, and it

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread Steve Kinney
On 05/21/2017 12:32 AM, grarpamp wrote: > Rewards seem nice, yet not everyone who wants to play > can pay, or the math overhead is crushing, or it becomes > centralized. Definitely worth trying, especially if it fits some > usage model. > > Another form is to just let the network use whatever >

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread Steven Schear
Warrant Canary creator On May 20, 2017 9:34 PM, "grarpamp" wrote: Rewards seem nice, yet not everyone who wants to play can pay, or the math overhead is crushing, or it becomes centralized. Definitely worth trying, especially if it fits some usage model. Another form is to

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread grarpamp
Rewards seem nice, yet not everyone who wants to play can pay, or the math overhead is crushing, or it becomes centralized. Definitely worth trying, especially if it fits some usage model. Another form is to just let the network use whatever CPU, RAM, DISK, NET that you're not currently using, or

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread Steven Schear
One of the great weaknesses of torrents (and filesharing systems in general ) is the lack of mechanisms to promote persistence. That's why a group of us (including Bram Cohen, BitTorrent and Bryce Wilcox-O'Hearn (Zooko), Tahoe-LAFS, MNET, ZCash) created Mojo Nation. Unfortunately, Mojo failed to

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread grarpamp
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > i2p can be called "a functional darknet torrent system," > on my last visit that some files I seeded and promoted there about five > years ago are still available. Only through the explicit goodwill of human "seeders"

Re: Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread Steve Kinney
On 05/20/2017 08:42 PM, grarpamp wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Razer wrote: >>> Indie films on darknets mate. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst >> http://torrentking.eu/movie-1967/the-president-s-analyst-torrents/ >>

Torrenting The Darknets

2017-05-20 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Razer wrote: >> Indie films on darknets mate. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst > http://torrentking.eu/movie-1967/the-president-s-analyst-torrents/ > http://www.demonoid.click/files/details/3552579/ >