RE: Message from a Parallel Universe...over-positive endorsements

Tim May said: > Besides the trend of people to give positive endorsements more than > negative endorsements (fear of lawsuits is also an issue), it's > apparent that most people are simply reporting on whom they have... I thought this paper might be of interest, which lends further support to wh

Re: making the agora vanish

At 05:45 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > >Escrow agents and reputation agents definitely help -- they >can overcome a lot of difficulties involving who gets paid >what and when. But now you've got a third party in your deal, >charging vigorish when one of your main hopes was to get aw

Re: Reading List (for the umpteenth time....)

At 05:14 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Kevin Elliott wrote: >At 15:14 -0700 on 4/15/01, Tim May wrote: >>* Orson Scott Card, "Ender's Game." Kids using untraceable pseudonyms. > >Huh? Excellent book but I don't recall it having the slightest >mention of anything remotely applicable to the current thread..

RE: Making the Agora Vanish

At 05:24 PM 4/15/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >Bear said: >> >Nobody in conventional >> >business is going to want to do a deal with someone when they can't >> >create a legally enforceable contract. > >Actually, I'm past this. I don't need it. > >My problem is the value of the information within a

RE: Making the Agora Vanish | OSINT distributed haven (Intellagora)

At 04:07 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >And your possible motive for spreading the word about his reputation, >which ties you to an illicit transaction, is what exactly? > > Bear Anonymity is the shield; Huma

Re: Making the Agora Vanish | OSINT distributed haven (Intellagora)

At 02:53 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: >And to make sure that Ray Dillinger is not confused, let me point out >that my "credit rating data haven" is not necessarily for cyberspace >nyms. Rather, it's for the meatspace world of credit evaluation. > "Credit" has many dimensions (or application

Re: Reading List (for the umpteenth time....)

At 03:14 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >See my articles earlier today referencing background reading. > One of the interesting things about Vannevar Bush's Memeweb is that 1. you can legitimately refer any yahoo to 'look it up' in the memeweb and its not terribly rude and 2. said yahoo rea

RE: Making the Agora Vanish | OSINT distributed haven (Intellagora)

At 02:06 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >regard to contract enforcement. There has to be a hook where someone >who does a ripoff can be punished, or else there is no deal. In infospace, there is only reputation, not meat and bones, that can be damaged.

RE: Making the Agora Vanish | OSINT distributed haven (Intellagora)

At 02:11 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >Tim; > >One thing to consider is the role of "credit histories", or >virtually any other identity-linked information, in a milieu >where the people have access to the necessary techniques and >programs to do those deals. > >You sell Alice a cr

RE: Making the Agora Vanish | OSINT distributed haven (Intellagora)

At 12:36 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: >There are many markets out there which do not rely on the official >court system to enforce contracts for. > The diamond-trading jews of New York use reputation (ostracism from the community, centrally enforced by a council that rules their voluntary a

Re: Starium?

At 8:27 PM + 4/16/01, Dr. Evil wrote: > > There seem to be good market reasons for dedicated set up, especially >> one that ordinary phones attach to easily. The "bump in the cord" >> model. > >That is the best model, probably, but there are some intermediate >models between "bump in the co

RE: A suggested musical tune

"Won't get Fooled Again" by The Who. Most of us are familiar with the version on "Who's Next". However, it was originally written for Pete Townshend's "Lifehouse" project, a hugely ambitous and prescient work about escape from a dystopian society, only recently released. Also consider "Eve

Re: Starium?

> There seem to be good market reasons for dedicated set up, especially > one that ordinary phones attach to easily. The "bump in the cord" > model. That is the best model, probably, but there are some intermediate models between "bump in the cord" and "compile SpeakFreely and figure out how to

Re: Starium?

At 6:33 PM + 4/16/01, Dr. Evil wrote: >Peter, > >Thanks for the tip on that. I'll be looking out for it, although at >that price, it's cheaper to buy a dedicated PC and run SpeakFreely, as >you point out. There seem to be good market reasons for dedicated set up, especially one that ordinar

RE: Making the Agora Vanish

At 02:33 AM 4/16/2001 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > >It is true that there is a vast amount of almost-demand on the parts of > >risk-averse people who don't want to act for fear of being wrong - but > >there are a lot of people who have figured out how to get things done > >without depending on "

RE: Making the Agora Vanish | OSINT distributed haven (Intellagora)

At 4:07 PM -0700 4/15/01, Ray Dillinger wrote: >On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >>At 02:06 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >>>When you talk about a one-time transaction, it pretty much has to >>>involve something whose value can be ascertained ON THE SPOT. >>>otherwise, there

RE: Message from a Parallel Universe

At 1:25 PM -0400 4/16/01, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: > >Tim, you recommended we search out for your prior articles...I've done that >and found a couple of things (the '97 conference paper on this topic was >most relevant) but I couldn't find a whole lot...please provide an url if >you have one... I'

Reputations, Belief, Identity, and Networks

This issue has come up, with a few list readers talking about how uncertain or fuzzy reputations are. Some have said they see this as a fatal flaw for commerce and dealings in cyberspace (and in cypherspace, the strongly-untraceable variant). If we were all in the same room and had access to b

RE: Message from a Parallel Universe

agreed with the liberal use of the phrase "perceived value" when referring to transaction motivations...this is exactly the basis for equities markets. A company is not "worth $8.1Bn"...the "perceived value" of a company may be $8.1Bn. A company is technically worth two things: a) the physical as

Re: Message from a Parallel Universe

At 7:26 PM -0400 4/15/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 07:26:24PM -0700, Tim May wrote: >> And my point is a very serious one: saying that "anarchy" cannot work >> in markets is not much different from saying anarchy (uncoerced >> transactions) cannot work in areas where in

Identity protection legislation for LEA, etc.

I was reading this article regarding the WA web site that published names, addys and SSNs of police officers and noted that an "identity protection" / "accountability legislation" bill for

Reputations

At 11:35 PM -0700 4/15/01, Alan Olsen wrote: >On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: > >> Some of the cypherpunks implications were that we all saw >> reputation systems as a goal that Really Made Sense, >> but also that turn out to be much harder to implement, >> even on non-fictional paper

Re: Reading List (for the umpteenth time....)

At 11:35 PM 4/15/2001 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >One of the other problems with reputation capital is that reputation >depends on perspective. > >The people who I respect and listen to are not always the ones that you >will repect and listen to. reputation is a more individual thing. I think >if y

Re: Escrow agents

At 12:09 PM +0300 4/16/01, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote: > >>The canonical example is of an escrow agent handling a deposit by a >>buyer of an untraceable killing. When the killer presents the >>appropriate form of evidence that this happened, and that he or she >>was "

Bush should pick chief privacy officer straightaway, groups say

>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:00:24 -0500 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Bush should pick chief privacy officer straightaway, groups say > >[If these worthy groups and academics were interested only in encouraging >the Feds to think more seriously about