Re: [CI] Re: Finding collision resistant hash functions

2003-07-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:59 AM 7/9/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: >hi, >> MV: >>There's nothing gained by >> increasing >> the input entropy (compressing > >I was looking for such a compression function such >that the chances of collision in the message digest >obtained by hashing these 2^80 messages is collision >free or

Re: [CI] Re: Finding collision resistant hash functions

2003-07-08 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:18 PM 7/7/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: >Lets say we are using SHA-1 and i hash 2^80 >messages.What I am looking for is a compression >function such that the chances of collision in the >message digest obtained by hashing these 2^80 messages >is collision free or very low probability of >collisio

Re: [CI] Re: Finding collision resistant hash functions

2003-07-08 Thread Sarad AV
hi, --- Mike Rosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It can't be collision free if the number of input > bits exceeds the number > of output bits. Think about it, it should be > obvious! Yes,the pigeon hole principle but that was not what i meant. Lets say we are using SHA-1 and i hash 2^80 messages

Re: Finding collision resistant hash functions

2003-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:19 AM 7/7/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: or how are we supposed to >find collision free hash functions?What exactly is the >difficulty in finding collision free hash functions? Because there are no collision *free* hash functions, there will always be several domain elements that map to the same