RE: BSE

2001-05-01 Thread David Honig
>> The idealism that I refer to is the >> concept that human beings can create >> something substantially better than >> what exists. > This is the fundamental driving force of all human endeavor incl. tech., ag., etc. Make your kids' situation better than yours. Everything follows.

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I think where we differ is that I'm > extremely pessimististic about human > nature. It's not that I don't like the > idealistic picture, I just don't see > that it can work out that way. I agree that that is what differentiates our outlooks. Let me approach it

Re: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread mmotyka
I think where we differ is that I'm extremely pessimististic about human nature. It's not that I don't like the idealistic picture, I just don't see that it can work out that way. Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > > The idealism that I refer to is the concept that human beings can create > > something

Re: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Tim May
At 6:09 PM -0700 4/30/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I think where we differ is that I'm extremely pessimististic about human >nature. It's not that I don't like the idealistic picture, I just don't >see that it can work out that way. First, being extremely pessimistic about human nature is _prec

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Sandy Sandfort
I wrote: > > Do you mean in those who continue to > > believe in coercive solutions (i.e., > > government)? Especially in the face > > of the fact that government has been > > responsible for 120+ million deaths > > in the 20th century alone? :-D > > > The idealism that I refer to is the > conc

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread mmotyka
> Mike wrote: > > > The level of idealism is amazing. > > Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e., > government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been > responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D > The idealism tha

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Mike wrote: > The level of idealism is amazing. Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e., government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D > The corrective forces of fre

Re: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread mmotyka
The level of idealism is amazing. The corrective forces of free markets and anarchy usually discussed here are certainly in operation in varying degrees throughout our economic "system." I think the confidence level is naive and the damage that can result from unfettered profit seeking is underest

Re: BSE

2001-04-28 Thread James A. Donald
-- At 01:13 PM 4/26/2001 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Here's a question for you Tim, > >I'm sure you've read about BSE, scrapie, kuru, Creutzfeld-Jakob et al. >Generally they seem to be species-specific but there is some crossover. >Let's assume that feeding ground up livestock to livestoc

RE: BSE

2001-04-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Mike wrote: > Here's a question for you Tim, I'd like to take a crack at it too. :-D > Let's assume that feeding ground up > livestock to livestock is a risky > behavior. It goes on here in the U.S. > > How, in an unregulated system, do you > get people to follow immediately > practices that a