At 10:07 PM 4/19/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote:
>I think this is a dumb idea. (Again, I mentioned I thought it was BS.) Your
>word choice will still be consistent through the translator. Although if you
>threw in stylistic randomness...I dunno. Big damn difference between pie and
>cake.
The idea is
Choate said:
> A simple double translation through a babblefish will totaly screw your
> stats.
Not to mention your meaning:
What! Lost your mittens,
You naughty kittens,
Then you shall have no pie.
Meow, meow,
Then you shall have no pie.
*bablefish* -> Italian and back
That what! It has lost
Ray Dillinger writes:
> Give me a few dozen writing samples from each of a
> hundred known
> people, and another writing sample a hundred words
> long from one
> of them under a pseudonym, and I can tell you to
> a 90% probability
> which of the hundred known people wrote it.
Ray you bring up
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Sunder wrote:
>Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>>
>> And your possible motive for spreading the word about his reputation,
>> which ties you to an illicit transaction, is what exactly?
>
>Wouldn't your own reputation be blinded by a n
--
At 02:06 PM 4/15/2001 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>Mafia Bosses don't buy information from someone when they don't know
>where that someone lives. It's the exact same enforceability of
>contracts problem that other parts of society uses lawyers to deal
>with. Legbreakers or cops, basicall
--
>>Widespread black markets, for drugs, betting, etc., suggest otherwise.
At 02:06 AM 4/16/2001 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
>That doesn't really kill the argumetn. The key word is enforceable. Black
>markets do it directly by guns,
While personal violence is an essential part of operating
--
At 02:11 PM 4/15/2001 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>Tim;
>
>One thing to consider is the role of "credit histories", or
>virtually any other identity-linked information, in a milieu
>where the people have access to the necessary techniques and
>programs to do those deals.
>
>You sell Alice
--
At 05:29 PM 4/15/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> If I know a person's meatspace identity and
> ties with religious/social/family groups, I'm far more likely to lend
> them money then if they're using a throwaway hushmail account.
>
> If Bob is doing the latter, he won't get credit in
--
At 02:06 PM 4/15/2001 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> This is true, but look at the mechanisms for enforcing contracts
> that they *do* use. Most of them are not compatible with anonymity,
> and only a few are compatible with pseudonymity.
A common mechanism that they do use in Australia
At 09:24 PM 4/17/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote:
>No, I don't claim that meatspace identity is necessary, and I have read some
>"smart contract" theory. (I was dealing with the diplomatic and licensure
>peculiarities of my hypothetical, and agency theory, but that is a
>discussion for elsewhere.)
>
>N
David Honig said:
> At 05:24 PM 4/15/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote:
> >Bear said:
> >> >Nobody in conventional
> >> >business is going to want to do a deal with someone when they can't
> >> >create a legally enforceable contract.
> >
> >Actually, I'm past this. I don't need it.
> >
> >My problem is
At 04:07 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>And your possible motive for spreading the word about his reputation,
>which ties you to an illicit transaction, is what exactly?
>
> Bear
Anonymity is the shield;
Huma
At 02:53 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>And to make sure that Ray Dillinger is not confused, let me point out
>that my "credit rating data haven" is not necessarily for cyberspace
>nyms. Rather, it's for the meatspace world of credit evaluation.
>
"Credit" has many dimensions (or application
At 02:06 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>regard to contract enforcement. There has to be a hook where someone
>who does a ripoff can be punished, or else there is no deal.
In infospace, there is only reputation, not meat and bones, that
can be damaged.
At 02:11 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>Tim;
>
>One thing to consider is the role of "credit histories", or
>virtually any other identity-linked information, in a milieu
>where the people have access to the necessary techniques and
>programs to do those deals.
>
>You sell Alice a cr
At 12:36 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>There are many markets out there which do not rely on the official
>court system to enforce contracts for.
>
The diamond-trading jews of New York use reputation (ostracism from
the community, centrally enforced by a council that rules their voluntary
a
At 4:07 PM -0700 4/15/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>>At 02:06 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>>When you talk about a one-time transaction, it pretty much has to
>>>involve something whose value can be ascertained ON THE SPOT.
>>>otherwise, there
At 2:11 PM -0700 4/15/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>Tim;
>
>One thing to consider is the role of "credit histories", or
>virtually any other identity-linked information, in a milieu
>where the people have access to the necessary techniques and
>programs to do those deals.
>
>You sell Alice a credit h
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>At 02:06 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>When you talk about a one-time transaction, it pretty much has to
>>involve something whose value can be ascertained ON THE SPOT.
>>otherwise, there is either a continuing relationship that can't
>>be
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote:
>>As presented, I think she's probably right. Nobody in conventional
>>business is going to want to do a deal with someone when they can't
>>create a legally enforceable contract.
>
>Widespread black markets, for drugs, betting, etc., suggest otherwise.
That
Ray & Tim, easy to see who said what:
Bear:
> >>As presented, I think she's probably right. Nobody in conventional
> >>business is going to want to do a deal with someone when they can't
> >>create a legally enforceable contract.
> >
> >Widespread black markets, for drugs, betting, etc., suggest
At 5:29 PM -0400 4/15/01, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 02:11:56PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>> You sell Alice a credit history on Bob; Bob takes a new
>> identity; Alice is back to square one. Why would Alice
>> buy credit histories?
>
>Not everyone will choose to be lost
On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 02:11:56PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> You sell Alice a credit history on Bob; Bob takes a new
> identity; Alice is back to square one. Why would Alice
> buy credit histories?
Not everyone will choose to be lost in the Net.
So the solution is simple: I sell Alice a n
At 02:06 PM 4/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>When you talk about a one-time transaction, it pretty much has to
>involve something whose value can be ascertained ON THE SPOT.
>otherwise, there is either a continuing relationship that can't
>be unilaterally broken (ie, they know where you live)
Bear wrote: (Bear, read the entire before you reply...)
I said:
> >That is an over-simplification, but yes. Intelligence is not
> headlines. To a
> >large extent, "what's happening" is not analyzed correctly, because the
> >intelligence community lacks sufficient expert analysis to cope with the
Tim;
One thing to consider is the role of "credit histories", or
virtually any other identity-linked information, in a milieu
where the people have access to the necessary techniques and
programs to do those deals.
You sell Alice a credit history on Bob; Bob takes a new
identity; Alice is
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote:
>At 11:30 AM -0700 4/15/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>
>>As presented, I think she's probably right. Nobody in conventional
>>business is going to want to do a deal with someone when they can't
>>create a legally enforceable contract.
>
>Widespread black markets,
At 01:46 AM 4/15/2001 -0700, Ryan Sorensen wrote:
> > Read the hundreds of articles on these matters. Read "The Enterprise
> > of Law: Justice without the State," by Bruce Benson. Read David
> > Friedman's "Machinery of Freedom," and his other books. Read...
> >
> > The point is, Aimee, _read the
> Read the hundreds of articles on these matters. Read "The Enterprise
> of Law: Justice without the State," by Bruce Benson. Read David
> Friedman's "Machinery of Freedom," and his other books. Read...
>
> The point is, Aimee, _read the background material_.
>
Admittedly, I'm not Aimee.
I was
At 11:30 AM -0700 4/15/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote:
>
>>>If
>>>there is not a value proposition for an information marketplace between the
>>>government and the private sector, there could be a value proposition within
>>>the private sector intelligence channels, m
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote:
>>If
>>there is not a value proposition for an information marketplace between the
>>government and the private sector, there could be a value proposition within
>>the private sector intelligence channels, moving closer to your "credit
>>rating market" proposit
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Aimee Farr wrote:
>That is an over-simplification, but yes. Intelligence is not headlines. To a
>large extent, "what's happening" is not analyzed correctly, because the
>intelligence community lacks sufficient expert analysis to cope with the
>dataload. This capability is in
At 2:59 PM -0500 4/14/01, Aimee Farr wrote:
>
>I agree with you, I did not put forth my argument well, and I was lazy to
>snip out context from several offlist conversations. And, you are correct,
>it is difficult for me to make a compelling argument, due to the fact that I
>am a far cry from an e
Tim May wrote:
> At 1:51 PM -0500 4/13/01, Aimee Farr wrote:
> >Even though I'm PLUNKED, and he is currently on a lawyer-hate rampage...
> >
> >Tim May said:
> >> For those of you who don't fully appreciate what I am getting at,
> >> being newcomers, let me move away from such banalities as "kid
At 1:51 PM -0500 4/13/01, Aimee Farr wrote:
>Even though I'm PLUNKED, and he is currently on a lawyer-hate rampage...
>
>Tim May said:
>> For those of you who don't fully appreciate what I am getting at,
>> being newcomers, let me move away from such banalities as "kiddie
>> porn" market--thoug
Even though I'm PLUNKED, and he is currently on a lawyer-hate rampage...
Tim May said:
> For those of you who don't fully appreciate what I am getting at,
> being newcomers, let me move away from such banalities as "kiddie
> porn" market--though this is a real market which any truly
> untraceable
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