Fair Warning

2001-10-22 Thread sonofgomez709
The LEA's who accompanied my Parole Officer on her visit to my residence today performed an illegal search of the room of another resident of the house in which I live. Given the fact that the visit was a result of LEA monitoring of the CPUNX list, list members should be aware that their pa

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
Tim May wrote: > On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 01:38 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > > Hmm, now that is bizarre. Anybody have any idea why Netscape does > > that sometimes? And not others? It looks fine when I hit the send button > > Does _what_? > > It would help if you gave an example of wh

Re: Netscape Out!

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 22 Oct 2001, at 18:52, Tim May wrote: > > > > You must be the only remaining user of NS (for either the Mac or > > Windows). Everyone I know gave up on NS 5 and moved on to IE. It's not > > perfect, but it's not buggy like "AOLscape" is. > > > > There never was a net

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Anonymous User
> At the risk of being told to go google (which I guess I'll do in a > moment), does anyone have any information either contrary to this, or > possibly of another "truth serum" that would fit the stated bill? Methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine.

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Matthew Gaylor
At 9:04 PM -0500 10/22/01, Jon Beets wrote: >This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times >conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a >whole would be considering this... > >Jon Beets And you base your doubts on what? The FBI's sterli

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Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Neil Johnson
> Do they avail themselves of modern medicine when they exceed what they can > do with 19th century methods? [serious question] The group that lives in our area will seek treatment, if absolutely necessary I guess I should probably point out that there are many Amish "sects" each with differen

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Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
David Honig wrote: > 1. Since death in combat is far more heroic [1] to these folks than it > is to Americans, the torturers will have to be careful. ... > [1] Though one wonders whether psyops -mutilation of corpse and cliched pig > games- > would help. So, the torturers should get rid of their

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 10:24 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: >My father in-law makes some extra dough by converting modern power tools >(Delta table saws, belt sanders, and lathes) to run of a central drive >shaft so the Amish in our area can build furniture. Evidently it's "kosher" >to use a centrally loca

RE: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 10:01 PM 10/22/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >No no no... That's the US Army's "thing": > > "The Army: looking for a few good spores." > They changed that; now its "A Spore of One"

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 10:33 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be >> not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many >> Amerikans :-( > >Yep. It's go

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 09:04 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Jon Beets wrote: >This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times >conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a >whole would be considering this... > >Jon Beets > "all the normalities of the social contract are

Re: CDR: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread measl
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: > If the U.S. abandons the standard that no person shall be compelled to > be a witness against himself--something the "truth serum" drugging > option would of course imply just as surely as torture would--the end > times will be upon us. I submit that thi

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2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
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Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Tim May
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 07:33 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be >> not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many >> Amerikans :-(

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Re: openbsd encrypted fs

2001-10-22 Thread zem
On 23 Oct 2001, Dr. Evil wrote: > > vnconfig -ck svnd0 diskimage [...] > > I am aware of that, but it's a hack, and it doesn't work well. For > example, it has no way of detecting when you enter an incorrect > password. Sure. Just noting that the capability is there, since it's easy to overloo

Re: eWe Won't Have CJ Parker and Richard NIxon To Kick Around AnyMore...

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
sonofgomez709 wrote: > So, the GoodNews is that I can probably avoid being > sent back to the BOP to be Tortured4BeingDisAbled > simply by ShuttingTheFuckUp! > The BadNews, OfCourseOfCourse [TM], is that I have thus > far proved incapable of doing so, I can't sympathise much on this basis. A fam

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2001-10-22 Thread Neil Johnson
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Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Neil Johnson
My father in-law makes some extra dough by converting modern power tools (Delta table saws, belt sanders, and lathes) to run of a central drive shaft so the Amish in our area can build furniture. Evidently it's "kosher" to use a centrally located diesel engine (with a battery to start it even!)

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Re: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Xeni Jardin wrote: > > > > In the next episode, Osama bin Laden makes a cameo, on Jackster's side > > > of course. > > > > Right. But in next week's episode, they rename it "Anthraxster." > > No no no... That's the US Army's "thing": > >

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2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
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Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
Tim May wrote: > > On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 02:04 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > "Dr. Evil" wrote: > >> > >>> It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, > >>> Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry > >>> Ellison pushing the "Papers, please, mac

Re: CDR: RE: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

2001-10-22 Thread measl
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Xeni Jardin wrote: > > In the next episode, Osama bin Laden makes a cameo, on Jackster's side > > of course. > > Right. But in next week's episode, they rename it "Anthraxster." No no no... That's the US Army's "thing": "The Army: looking for a few good spores.

Ananova - US researchers discover artificial sperm

2001-10-22 Thread Jim Choate
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_430602.html?menu=news.latestheadlines -- -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784)

Re: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Jonathan Fateley
Well hell in those extreme circumstances. But we are hardly at that place yet. - Original Message - From: "Declan McCullagh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: CDR: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay

RE: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

2001-10-22 Thread Xeni Jardin
> In the next episode, Osama bin Laden makes a cameo, on Jackster's side > of course. Right. But in next week's episode, they rename it "Anthraxster." XJ

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread measl
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be > > not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many > > Amerikans :-( > > Yep. It's g

Netscape Out!

2001-10-22 Thread georgemw
On 22 Oct 2001, at 18:52, Tim May wrote: > You must be the only remaining user of NS (for either the Mac or > Windows). Everyone I know gave up on NS 5 and moved on to IE. It's not > perfect, but it's not buggy like "AOLscape" is. > There never was a netscape 5, they jumped from 4.5 to 6.

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be > not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many > Amerikans :-( Yep. It's going to be a hard political sell to insist that yes, this i

re: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

2001-10-22 Thread keyser-soze
>"--Disney Channel cartoon portrays music downloads as evil The Disney Channel cartoon series The Proud Family (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/zoogdisney/shows/proudfamily/index_main.html)aired an episode on Oct. 5 entitled EZ Jackster. In the storyline, EZ Jackster is a Napster-like site, an

Re: CDR: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread measl
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Jon Beets wrote: > Subject: CDR: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent > > This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times > conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a > whole would be considering this

FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread AARG! Anonymous
[A whipping-boys-for-legible-content repost.] http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001350021-2001364909,00.html MONDAY OCTOBER 22 2001 FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher

Re: CDR: Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread measl
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: > You must be the only remaining user of NS (for either the Mac or > Windows). Everyone I know gave up on NS 5 and moved on to IE. It's not > perfect, but it's not buggy like "AOLscape" is. > > IE 5.1 is pretty good on OS X, as is OmniWeb. Try Opera: Fast,

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread Jon Beets
This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a whole would be considering this... Jon Beets - Original Message - From: "Incognito Innominatus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

2001-10-22 Thread Tim May
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 02:04 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: > "Dr. Evil" wrote: >> >>> It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, >>> Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry >>> Ellison pushing the "Papers, please, macht schnell!" Orwellian >>> nigh

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 06:28 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > >Better yet: energy can't be replicated. > True, but: Get yourself a breeder reactor, and you can sell the fuel you make as you sell the power you make.

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Tim May
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 01:38 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Hmm, now that is bizarre. Anybody have any idea why Netscape does > that sometimes? And not others? It looks fine when I hit the send button Does _what_? It would help if you gave an example of what you're talking about. > -

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-22 Thread Dr. Evil
> > "Built-in crypto" is a big overstatement for OpenBSD. Unfortunately, > > Win 2000 has more built-in crypto than OpenBSD does. Hint: Try to > > create an encrypted FS on OpenBSD. [...] > > dd if=/dev/zero of=diskimage bs=1024k count=1024 > vnconfig -ck svnd0 diskimage > [enter a passphrase]

FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

2001-10-22 Thread AARG! Anonymous
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001350021-2001364909,00.html FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher interrogation techniques, including torture, after facing a wall of silence from

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2001-10-22 Thread sonofgomez709
QWest came around to 'fix' the phone lines today...about an hour before my Probation Officer showed up with two colleagues to 'Jack Me Up' about my posts to the CPUNX Disturbed Male LISP... Prosecutor London, in his closing remarks during my last AllegedImaginary Trial, stated that the reaso

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 04:58:54PM -0700, David Honig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > At 01:17 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: > > > >One of the great long term hopes for nanotechnology is the > >"cornucopia" or StarTrek replicator, a device which can "manufacture" > >from raw materials and in

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-22 Thread zem
On 22 Oct 2001, Dr. Evil wrote: > "Built-in crypto" is a big overstatement for OpenBSD. Unfortunately, > Win 2000 has more built-in crypto than OpenBSD does. Hint: Try to > create an encrypted FS on OpenBSD. [...] dd if=/dev/zero of=diskimage bs=1024k count=1024 vnconfig -ck svnd0 diskimage [

RE: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Harmon Seaver wrote: > Sure [with regard to periodic starvation], > but for the most part, they did alright, > else we would not be here. Tell that to the 7th kine. In reality, subsistence (this word means something) farmers were mostly chronically malnourished--even in the good times--and died

Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 06:10 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:52:52PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >> The vaccine has not been proven safe and effective, nor released for use >> in the general population. The military has to take it because they are >> ordered to. > >And sometimes

Re: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
In the next episode, Osama bin Laden makes a cameo, on Jackster's side of course. At 04:31 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Xeni Jardin wrote: >Forwarding a post from the pho digital music list (end of this message). A >Newsforge item that also appeared about this today reads: > >"--Disney Channel cartoon

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Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:39:08PM -0400, Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Now if only some handy, self-effacing volunteer would come along and > repost your ill-formatted message wrapped at 72 columns, perhaps with > a severe admonition about the proper forms of netiquette, my day >

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2001-10-22 Thread Tabla bin Rasa
Hey, the FBI should open a travel agency, to go with the 'housecleaning' fronts they run. Tomlinson says the Security Dudes in the better hotels are already on TLA payroll. At 02:15 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Greg Broiles wrote: >.. and a companion article says that some hotel chains are prepared to d

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
Steve Furlong wrote: > Your theory about the ag schools and county agents and such may be > right; I don't know enough to comment on them. > The best example I can give is the Amish. They *don't* send their sons to ag school (don't even educate them past 7th grade actually) and don't liste

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RE: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Harmon Seaver wrote: > Of course you're ignoring the fact that > sometimes the reason that they are > "starving on their own retched little > plots of land." is because of NAFTA and > huge multinational corporations importing > so much US factory farmed corn and other > ag products into that coun

Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

2001-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:36:58PM -0700, Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > The CDC's fact sheet Memo to self: include URLs. http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/VIS/vis-anthrax.pdf Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of

Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

2001-10-22 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:52:52PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > The vaccine has not been proven safe and effective, nor released for use > in the general population. The military has to take it because they are > ordered to. And sometimes not even then. From something I wrote in 1999: http://ww

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
Harmon Seaver wrote: > > Steve Furlong wrote: > > > Then let them. A self-sufficient subsistence farmer won't be bothered by > > the trade his neighbors are carrying out. [1] His farm can be a > > neolithic bubble as the world progresses. > > What? You're talking nonsense here. Of course

Re: And another one bites the dust, another one down, another one down

2001-10-22 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:34:37AM -0700, Tim May wrote: > I've been watching a press conference of D.C. politicos, mayor and > company, on CNN. Looks like several inhalational anthrax cases > confirmed, and *two deaths* of postal workers over the weekend with > "suspicious" symptoms and test r

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Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

2001-10-22 Thread Eric Cordian
Karsten writes: > There is a vaccine for anthrax. It's not generally distributed, though > military and vetinary personnel may receive it. The vaccine has not been proven safe and effective, nor released for use in the general population. The military has to take it because they are ordered t

Re: fanaticism, left anarchists, and CACLing

2001-10-22 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:03:40AM -0700, Luthor Blisset wrote: > But no - for many CACL types, those using black bloc tactics were > just bored, upper-middle-class, college-age, uninformed dumbshits > pointlessly throwing rocks through starbucks windows - an image similar in > accurac

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Declan McCullagh
Now if only some handy, self-effacing volunteer would come along and repost your ill-formatted message wrapped at 72 columns, perhaps with a severe admonition about the proper forms of netiquette, my day would be complete. -Declan On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 03:38:41PM -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: >

Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

2001-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:14:29PM -0700, Eric Cordian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Tim wrote: > > > Looks like the "toast" and "goner" comments are right on...as expected. > > > I've been watching a press conference of D.C. politicos, mayor and > > company, on CNN. Looks like several inhalational

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On 22 Oct 2001, at 13:17, Steve Schear wrote: > One of the great long term hopes for nanotechnology is the > "cornucopia" or StarTrek replicator, a device which can "manufacture" > from raw materials and information a broad variety of consumables and > hard goods. If it ever does come about and

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote: >Sure. But unions work to make membership *compulsory*. They have other >legal privledges. What can you say? People rent-seek. That's an axiom which also goes by the name of "rationality". So the problem is not the union, but the legislators and their bac

Prescreening for hotel customers

2001-10-22 Thread Greg Broiles
At 03:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0400, Peter Capelli wrote: >I'm assuming that it's only voluntary to the airlines, and not the >passengers ... > >http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO64966,00.html .. and a companion article says that some hotel chains are prepared to do pre-screening fo

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:35:21AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > that their efforts are rewarded with an equitable share of the profits > their efforts created. The very basis of free market economies, one is It's remarkable to see such contradictory views side-by-side and called "free market econo

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 11:09 PM 10/22/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: > >>"Sure, unions are good" is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim >>this? > >When they're not given special privileges, they are a useful tool for >market awareness and employee side organization. Sure.

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 01:25 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Of course you're ignoring the fact that sometimes the reason that they >are "starving on their own retched little plots of land." is because of NAFTA >and huge multinational corporations importing so much US factory farmed corn >and other ag

Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

2001-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 08:00 PM 10/22/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: >> It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, >> Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry >> Ellison pushing the "Papers, please, macht schnell!" Orwellian nightmare. > >That is a good observation, and somethi

Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
"Dr. Evil" wrote: > > > It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, > > Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry > > Ellison pushing the "Papers, please, macht schnell!" Orwellian nightmare. > > That is a good observation, and something which I'll never

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-22 Thread Dr. Evil
> > "Built-in crypto" is a big overstatement for OpenBSD. Unfortunately, > > Win 2000 has more built-in crypto than OpenBSD does. Hint: Try to > > create an encrypted FS on OpenBSD. Now try on Windows 2000. > > You trust Win2k's encryption? Are you CRAZY? No and no. > You're trusting a close

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
Hmm, now that is bizarre. Anybody have any idea why Netscape does that sometimes? And not others? It looks fine when I hit the send button -- then gets trashed. I've got line space set at 72, it's supposed to go text only, no html, but it's got the same trashed formatting in the copy that goe

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote: >Of course you're ignoring the fact that sometimes the reason that they >are "starving on their own retched little plots of land." is because of >NAFTA and huge multinational corporations importing so much US factory >farmed corn and other ag products int

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-22 Thread Eugene Leitl
On 22 Oct 2001, Dr. Evil wrote: > "Built-in crypto" is a big overstatement for OpenBSD. Unfortunately, > Win 2000 has more built-in crypto than OpenBSD does. Hint: Try to > create an encrypted FS on OpenBSD. Now try on Windows 2000. You trust Win2k's encryption? Are you CRAZY? You're trustin

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-22 Thread Dr. Evil
> Why Plan-9? I'd say go with OpenBSD. :) Built in crypto, built in > firewall, secure on installation without you needing to tweak stuff. Hell > you can even tell it to encrypt swap pages. "Built-in crypto" is a big overstatement for OpenBSD. Unfortunately, Win 2000 has more built-in crypto

Re: DOT proposes 'voluntary' prescreening of passengers

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
Interesting that they included mention of SouthWest airline in this -- since SouthWest uses ObjectStore ODBMS, a pretty modern database. As does at least one other airline, IIRCC. I wonder if this is simply about the fedzis attempting to push them all into using Oracle? Which would be a

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: >The Econ prize was only established in the 70s, and now the prize >committee is reaching down deeper into the ranks. A fun story I heard: a member of the Swedish Academy is said to have resigned over Milton Friedman getting a Nobel. The reason: Friedman's the

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Schear
At 02:49 PM 10/22/2001 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: >Harmon Seaver wrote: > > >Of course you're ignoring the fact that sometimes the reason > that they > > are "starving on their own retched little plots of land." is because of > NAFTA > > and huge multinational corporations importing so

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: >"Sure, unions are good" is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim >this? When they're not given special privileges, they are a useful tool for market awareness and employee side organization. Corporations can be seen as the employer side one -- if there's

Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

2001-10-22 Thread Dr. Evil
> It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, > Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry > Ellison pushing the "Papers, please, macht schnell!" Orwellian nightmare. That is a good observation, and something which I'll never understand. How can they wan

Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
Steve Furlong wrote: > Then let them. A self-sufficient subsistence farmer won't be bothered by > the trade his neighbors are carrying out. [1] His farm can be a > neolithic bubble as the world progresses. What? You're talking nonsense here. Of course they make part of their living selling

DOT proposes 'voluntary' prescreening of passengers

2001-10-22 Thread Peter Capelli
I'm assuming that it's only voluntary to the airlines, and not the passengers ... http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO64966,00.html Pete Capelli[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.capelli.org PGP Key ID:0x829263B6 "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety des

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Gabriel Rocha
On Mon, Oct 22, at 10:27AM, Tim May wrote: | This is one of the problems with the whole "Economics" prize. There's | not even a prize in _mathematics_, fer chrissake, so why one in | _economics_? Alfred Nobel certainly did not endow an economics prize. | (The econ prize gets its

Re: Retribution Time

2001-10-22 Thread Eric Murray
On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:15:37AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Hear, hear. > > This sort of crap is the inevitable outcome of an unmoderated list. All the > loons come out to play because there are no real negative consequences for > being a loon. And filtering does not do anything besides b

Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

2001-10-22 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim wrote: > Looks like the "toast" and "goner" comments are right on...as expected. > I've been watching a press conference of D.C. politicos, mayor and > company, on CNN. Looks like several inhalational anthrax cases > confirmed, and *two deaths* of postal workers over the weekend with > "s

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
Harmon Seaver wrote: >Of course you're ignoring the fact that sometimes the reason that they > are "starving on their own retched little plots of land." is because of NAFTA > and huge multinational corporations importing so much US factory farmed corn > and other ag products into that cou

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Harmon Seaver
Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Yeah, the "sweatshop" > workers' choices are lousy, but they have, in fact, made their choice to > improve their lives by working in the "sweatshops" as opposed to starving on > their own retched little plots of land. Good for them. Of course you're ignoring the

Re: And another one bites the dust, another one down, another one down

2001-10-22 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 08:30 PM, Tim May wrote: > On Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 06:02 PM, David Honig wrote: >> >> Once the person has enough symptoms to seek treatment, >> I think they're toast. We'll see. Maybe all USPO >> workers will be given 60 days of Cipro. If they're >> the

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Eric Murray
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:44:09AM -0700, Tim May wrote: > "Sure, unions are good" is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim > this? > > Most labor unions are simply rent-seeking clubs designed to cement the > status quo. Teacher's unions in the U.S. are a prime example: once the > union

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Tim May
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 10:09 AM, Gabriel Rocha wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, at 04:58PM, Julian Assange wrote: > | This years Nobel for Economics won by George A. Akerlof, A. Michael > | Spence and Joseph E. Stiglitz "for their analysis of markets with > | assymetric informatio

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Gabriel Rocha
On Mon, Oct 22, at 04:58PM, Julian Assange wrote: | This years Nobel for Economics won by George A. Akerlof, A. Michael | Spence and Joseph E. Stiglitz "for their analysis of markets with | assymetric information" is typical. The Nobel priye was won by people who published ideas

Re: Retribution not enough

2001-10-22 Thread Tim May
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 06:03 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > Sure, unions are good and using coercion to stop them from coming into > being is bad. But that only applies as long as unions are granted no > legal > status apart from other voluntary organizations, and participating in a > stri

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Re: Retribution Time

2001-10-22 Thread Steve Furlong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wrong. Nomen has long since placed him/herself into the position of not > being taken seriously. Having groups of people who choose to turn a deaf > ear is a pretty real negative consequence, IMHO. There are several Nomens. Some are blithering imbeciles who have some

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fanaticism, left anarchists, and CACLing

2001-10-22 Thread Luthor Blisset
At 10:02 PM 10/21/01 -0700, someone with the password to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'm actually surprised to see Steve launch into a critique of >laissez-faire capitalism here on cypherpunks, of all places. One can admit >that globalization has ill effects (mostly, bricks through windows of >S

Re: Why Plan-9 licensing?

2001-10-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:20:34AM -0500, Jim Choate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > Nutshell argument: license interactions are factorial. > > How so? Proof? Sorry. Combinatorial. Not quite as extreme. From a legal standpoint, interactions of