Fatal Exception

2001-12-24 Thread mattd
"The term anarchy comes from the Greek, and essentially means 'no ruler.' Anarchists are people who reject all forms of government or coercive authority, all forms of hierarchy and domination. They are therefore opposed to what the Mexican anarchist Flores Magon called the 'sombre trinity' --

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
Tucker often claimed that an anarchist could not be a communist! In State Socialism and Anarchism he stated that anarchism was "an ideal utterly inconsistent with that of those Communists who falsely call themselves Anarchists while at the same time advocating a regime of Archism fully as desp

What to back an ecash issue with, structure

2001-12-24 Thread Ryan Lackey
I've read quite a bit about free banking. The idea of using a purely-technical basis for a currency, and then allowing it to float, is interesting -- as is linking to an external accounting system, and only issuing based on that. I think the greatest threat to an electronic cash system is 1) not

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/anarchist817/anarcho_capitalism.html Anarcho-Capitalism is a name given to a philosophy that some call "Free-Market Anarchism," or sometimes the less apt "Libertarianism." (Not all those who call themselves Libertarians are Anarcho-Capitalists. Kind of confusing, h

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2001-12-24 Thread Black Unicorn
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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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RE: Liability, economic realities and self delusion in ecash developers. Or: Why not "just write ecash" (again).

2001-12-24 Thread Black Unicorn
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:04 PM > To: Ryan Lackey; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Black Unicorn > Subject: Re: Liability, economic realities and self delusion in ecash > developers. O

Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable coward.RIP.

2001-12-24 Thread mattd
>>Tim, if you are not a libertarian, which is what I believe > you to be, given your writtings, please correct me) Yeah, I favor freedom and free markets. Obviously<< So you've seen http://world.std.com/~mhuben/leftlib.html and http://world.std.com/~mhuben/ddfr.html ? You must have read "Cy

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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Re: Liability, economic realities and self delusion in ecash developers. Or: Why not "just write ecash" (again).

2001-12-24 Thread Ryan Lackey
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 23 Dec 2001, at 21:39, Black Unicorn wrote: > > While this might not directly impact the person running or > > developing the system it certain serves to discourage users > > of the system after a single allegation has been made. > > Customer fli

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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2001-12-24 Thread Dr. Evil
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Remailer Stats (was: Swiss Bank in a Box)

2001-12-24 Thread Ryan Lackey
I just did some statistical analysis on a logfile accidentally kept by an MTA which I didn't know was keeping it a few months ago. (which I've deleted, and made sure is not being kept anymore) Remailer traffic: approximately 3000-5000 messages/day (mix II + cpunk) Unique input addresses over 13

Illusional delusions

2001-12-24 Thread mattd
>>The solution for money laundering is to remove the "money", as defined by the state, from the equation. Crypto removes the content from everyones's eyes except the two parties that communicate. That is what crypto can do. The moment one wants to convert some bits to state-money she is doomed. I

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.

2001-12-24 Thread mattd
>>| Anarchism is a variant of socialism > > an7ar7chism (nr-kzm) > n. > The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive > and undesirable and should be abolished. Which is self-referential (it basically says that even anarchism will oppress). << Indeed.Especially where del

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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Re: Liability, economic realities and self delusion in ecash developers. Or: Why not "just write ecash" (again).

2001-12-24 Thread jamesd
-- On 23 Dec 2001, at 21:39, Black Unicorn wrote: > While this might not directly impact the person running or > developing the system it certain serves to discourage users > of the system after a single allegation has been made. > Customer flight would be awfully dramatic I suspect. You are

Illusional delusions

2001-12-24 Thread AARG! Anonymous
The solution for money laundering is to remove the "money", as defined by the state, from the equation. Crypto removes the content from everyones's eyes except the two parties that communicate. That is what crypto can do. The moment one wants to convert some bits to state-money she is doomed. If

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Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable coward.RIP.Got Gabe?

2001-12-24 Thread mattd
>> Interesting to note that the system you bash, for the sake of argument lets call it "timmayism" is really in favor of individual freedom (Tim, if you are not a libertarian, which is what I believe you to be, given your writtings, please correct me) << Well Tim just pissed on the faces of t

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
>>"Shoes for industry!" The general point is that it is going to be very difficult to stop persons willing to die in their acts from carrying them out. Like real anarchists? Ones that propertarians want to shoot.Hard to get em all. >>Planes are very fragile things and explosives can be formed

Re: Simplest possible ecash mint.Mays going Simple.Blood Simple.

2001-12-24 Thread mattd
>>This is a terribly important point. Implementing this "atomic transaction" would be a major step. Having a Web site that does this EVEN WITH PLAY TOKENS would be a useful step. (Many dislike toy applications, but a site which did this would be a way to play with the software, test the relia

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Re: "Swiss bank in a box"

2001-12-24 Thread Adam Shostack
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Re: simplest possible ecash mint

2001-12-24 Thread Nomen Nescio
Ryan Lackey writes: > > I don't believe "normal users" should ever interact directly with the > mint; using the mint as a reissue server only in normal operation is a > key optimization -- especially when coupled with tamper-resistant mint > hardware. Easier to develop, easier to operate, easier

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Re: simplest possible ecash mint

2001-12-24 Thread Ryan Lackey
I don't believe "normal users" should ever interact directly with the mint; using the mint as a reissue server only in normal operation is a key optimization -- especially when coupled with tamper-resistant mint hardware. Easier to develop, easier to operate, easier to audit. Users should purcha

Re: simplest possible ecash mint

2001-12-24 Thread Nomen Nescio
Ryan Lackey writes: > * Some protocol for external communication (direct sockets is easiest, > but message-based protocols are far better, and allow a front end > processor to handle communications details) A message is simply a packet of data. Using a message-based protocol says nothing abo

Re: Simplest possible ecash mint

2001-12-24 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim writes: > This is a terribly important point. Implementing this "atomic > transaction" would be a major step. Having a Web site that does this > EVEN WITH PLAY TOKENS would be a useful step. There used to be a little toy server run by Software Agents at www.netbank.com. It exchanged some

Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.

2001-12-24 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Tim May wrote: > Yeah, I favor freedom and free markets. Obviously. Just so long as it doens't involve any of that homo- stuff... like two people of the same sex kissing in public... Or, while you get to read and post as you see fit, they conform to your considerations of

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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simplest possible ecash mint

2001-12-24 Thread Ryan Lackey
Actually, I think to be practical you want something only slightly more complex; 3x as much work, but 100x as useful. Implemented in tamper-resistant hardware (a dedicated box or process could substitute, but hardware is easier, and I have plenty): stage 1: * Some protocol for external communica

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2001-12-24 Thread mattd
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Simplest possible ecash mint

2001-12-24 Thread Nomen Nescio
How simple can an ecash mint be? For the simplest case there should be no accounts. All the mint does is exchange coins for other coins. There are no customer lists, no records of transactions (except as needed for double-spending detection). The very simplest mint is a pure ecoin changer. Yo

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PayPal for buying ecash

2001-12-24 Thread Nomen Nescio
PayPal is a possible funding source for ecash/estamps/remailer-tokens or whatever. With a PayPal account you can receive funds and pay people, two elementary steps for a cash-based system. It is easy to set up web software to receive payment via PayPal, and many people are already in the system