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Bob wrote quoting Mark Hachman: > The whitepaper can not be considered a roadmap to the design > of a Palladium-enabled PC, although it is one practical > solution. The whitepaper was written at around the time the > Trusted Computing Platform Association > (TCPA) was formed in the fall of 2000

RE: DRMs vs internet privacy (Re: Ross's TCPA paper)

2002-06-26 Thread Lucky Green
Adam Back wrote: > I don't mean that you would necessarily have to correlate > your viewing habits with your TrueName for DRM systems. > Though that is mostly > (exclusively?) the case for current deployed (or at least > implemented with a view of attempting commercial deployment) copy-mark >

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[Minor plug: I am scheduled to give a talk on TCPA at this year's DEF CON security conference. I promise it will be an interesting talk. http://www.defcon.org ] Below are two more additional TCPA plays that I am in a position to mention: 1) Permanently lock out competitors from your file formats

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread David Wagner
Anonymous wrote: >The amazing thing about this discussion is that there are two pieces >of conventional wisdom which people in the cypherpunk/EFF/"freedom" >communities adhere to, and they are completely contradictory. I can't agree. Strong protection of copyright is probably possible if the co

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread David Wagner
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Barney Wolff wrote: > Do you really mean that if I'm a business, you can force me to deal with > you even though you refuse to supply your real name? When was the last time you had to give your name when you bought a newspaper, CD or a DVD in a non-online/non-mail order st

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Re: TCPA / Palladium FAQ (was: Re: Ross's TCPA paper)

2002-06-26 Thread Ed Gerck
Interesting Q&A paper and list comments. Three additional comments: 1. DRM and privacy look like apple and speedboats. Privacy includes the option of not telling, which DRM does not have. 2. Palladium looks like just another vaporware from Microsoft, to preempt a market like when MS promised Wi

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread bear
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Barney Wolff wrote: >Do you really mean that if I'm a business, you can force me to deal with >you even though you refuse to supply your real name? Not acceptable. >I won't give up the right NOT to do business with anonymous customers, >or anyone else with whom I choose not

DRMs vs internet privacy (Re: Ross's TCPA paper)

2002-06-26 Thread Adam Back
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 03:57:15PM -0400, C Wegrzyn wrote: > If a DRM system is based on X.509, according to Brand I thought you could > get anonymity in the transaction. Wouldn't this accomplish the same thing? I don't mean that you would necessarily have to correlate your viewing habits with yo

Re: privacy <> digital rights management

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On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:51:58AM -0400, Donald Eastlake 3rd wrote: | "Privacy", according to the usual definitions, involve controlling the | spread of information by persons autorized to have it. Contrast with | secrecy which primarily has to do with stopping the spread of | information through

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TCPA / Palladium FAQ (was: Re: Ross's TCPA paper)

2002-06-26 Thread Ross Anderson
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Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread pasward
I'm slightly confused about this. My understanding of contract law is that five things are required to form a valid contract: offer and acceptance, mutual intent, consideration, capacity, and lawful intent. It seems to me that a click-through agreement is likely to fail on at least one, and poss

Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread C Wegrzyn
If a DRM system is based on X.509, according to Brand I thought you could get anonymity in the transaction. Wouldn't this accomplish the same thing? Chuck Wegrzyn - Original Message - From: "Adam Back" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Orig-To: "bear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[

Re: Ross's TCPA paper - DRM and privacy

2002-06-26 Thread C Wegrzyn
One more thing, there are different types of DRM. For instance you might want to make sure that only a specific number of accesses to a media document are made, and no more. A second type of DRM access might be allowing only one concurrent access, again I'm not sure that this requires much private

Re: Ross's TCPA paper

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Do you really mean that if I'm a business, you can force me to deal with you even though you refuse to supply your real name? Not acceptable. I won't give up the right NOT to do business with anonymous customers, or anyone else with whom I choose not to do business. The point about DRM, if I und

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread Adam Back
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2002-06-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: "Terror Reading"

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper

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Peter D. Junger wrote: > That isn't the reason why a click-through agreement isn't > enforceable---the agreement could, were it enforceable, validlly > forbid reverse engineering for any reason and that clause would > in most cases be upheld. Not in Europe though. EU directive 91/250/EEC "on t

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