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p2p DoS resistance and network stability (Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella)

2002-08-09 Thread Adam Back
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 08:25:40PM -0700, AARG!Anonymous wrote: > Several people have objected to my point about the anti-TCPA efforts of > Lucky and others causing harm to P2P applications like Gnutella. The point that a number of people made is that what is said in the article is not workable:

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Re: Signing as one member of a set of keys

2002-08-09 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Anonymous User wrote: > This program can be used by anonymous contributors to release partial > information about their identity - they can show that they are someone > from a list of PGP key holders, without revealing which member of the > list they are. Maybe it can help in

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2002-08-09 Thread Stephen
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Several people have objected to my point about the anti-TCPA efforts of Lucky and others causing harm to P2P applications like Gnutella. Eric Murray wrote: > Depending on the clients to "do the right thing" is fundamentally > stupid. Bran Cohen agrees: > Before claiming that the TCPA, which is f

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Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Re the debate over whether compilers reliably produce identical object (executable) files: The measurement and hashing in TCPA/Palladium will probably not be done on the file itself, but on the executable content that is loaded into memory. For Palladium it is just the part of the program called

TCPA ad nauseum

2002-08-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > Of course his analysis is spoiled by an underlying paranoia. So let me > ask just one question. How exactly is subversion of the TPM a greater > threat than subversion of your PC hardware today? How do you know that > Intel or AMD don't already have

Re: TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications

2002-08-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > : Allow computers separated on the internet to cooperate and share data > : and computations such that no one can get access to the data outside > : the limitations and rules imposed by the applications. > > It seems to me that my definition is far mor

Re: TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications

2002-08-09 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 9 Aug 2002 at 17:15, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > to understand it you need a true picture of TCPA rather than the > false one which so many cypherpunks have been promoting. As TCPA is currently vaporware, projections of what it will be, and how it will be used are judgments, and are not

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

2002-08-09 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 1:03 AM +0200 on 8/10/02, Some anonymous, and now apparently innumerate, idiot in my killfile got himself forwarded to Mr. Leitl's cream of cypherpunks list: > They will protect us from being able > to extend trust across the network. As Dan Gee

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Antonomasia
From: AARG!Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An article on Salon this morning (also being discussed on slashdot), > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/08/gnutella_developers/print.html, > discusses how the file-trading network Gnutella is being threatened by > misbehaving clients. In respon

Re: TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications

2002-08-09 Thread AARG! Anonymous
I want to follow up on Adam's message because, to be honest, I missed his point before. I thought he was bringing up the old claim that these systems would "give the TCPA root" on your computer. Instead, Adam is making a new point, which is a good one, but to understand it you need a true pictur

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Adam Back writes a very thorough analysis of possible consequences of the amazing power of the TCPA/Palladium model. He is clearly beginning to "get it" as far as what this is capable of. There is far more to this technology than simple DRM applications. In fact Adam has a great idea for how th

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
>>If only... Luckily the cypherpunks are doing all they can to make sure that no such technology ever exists.<< Your new here aren't you? Check out the archives a little circa 1996."By their fruits ye shall know them." And by their Gnuts as well.

Re: AARG and eugene are net.loons-why signatures of binaries always change.

2002-08-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
You're being quite creative with alternative spelling and punctuation. However, if you think that provides sustainable stealth cover against a competent attacker (TLA agencies must by now be really good with linguistic forensics) you're fooling yourself. For executable binary verification it is o

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Bram Cohen
Antonomasia wrote: > My copy of "Peer to Peer" (Oram, O'Reilly) is out on loan but I think > Freenet and Mojo use protocols that require new users to be > contributors before they become consumers. (Leaving aside that > Gnutella seems doomed on scalability grounds.) Freenet and Mojo Nation have

TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications (Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium)

2002-08-09 Thread Adam Back
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 09:15:33PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Back in the Clipper days [...] "how do we know that this > tamper-resistant chip produced by Mykotronix even implements the > Clipper spec correctly?". The picture is related but has some extra wrinkles with the TCPA/Palladium a

Tommy loses his toys (laptop stolen from MacDill SCIF)

2002-08-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Guess who wasn't using encrypted disks? MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE - Two laptop computers missing from Gen. Tommy Franks' headquarters were kept in an ultrasensitive locked and alarmed security room intended to safeguard some of the military's deepest secrets in the U.S. war on terrorism, officials s

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Pete Chown
Anonymous wrote: > ... the file-trading network Gnutella is being threatened by > misbehaving clients. In response, the developers are looking at limiting > the network to only authorized clients: This is the wrong solution. One of the important factors in the Internet's growth was that the IE

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2002-08-09 Thread Alex
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Jay Sulzberger wrote: > There are many solutions at the level of "technical protocols" that solve > the projection of these problems down to the low dimensional subspace of > "technical problems". Some of these "technical protocols" will be part of > a full system which accom

Re: Signing as one member of a set of keys

2002-08-09 Thread Adam Back
Very nice. Nice plausible set of candidate authors also: pub 1022/5AC7B865 1992/12/01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024/2B48F6F5 1996/04/10 Ian Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pub 1024/97558A1D 1994/01/10 Pr0duct Cypher pub 1024/2719AF35 1995/05/13 Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pub 1024/58214

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Airborted In an astonishing victory for the residents of San Salvador Atenco, the Mexican government last week confirmed that they were abandoning plans to build a new international airport smack on top of the small farming community just outside of Mexico City. The whole saga began last autumn wh

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Anarchism, like any other political ideology, is a point of view about how we humans should organize our life in common. It argues that, rather than do this through governments, we should arrange our affairs through local co-operative organizations, federating when necessary on a regional, nat

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, AARG!Anonymous wrote: < ... /> > Not discussed in the article is the technical question of how this can > possibly work. If you issue a digital certificate on some Gnutella > client, what stops a different client, an unauthorized client, from > pretending to be the legitimat

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Bollywood,sorry...Mumbai police chief slams film stars PTI [ FRIDAY, AUGUST 09, 2002 11:38:25 PM ] MUMBAI: The Mumbai police today rapped a section of film industry for their "nexus" with the underworld, saying threat to the stars was due to their own involvement and hobnobbing with underworld

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Bram Cohen
AARG!Anonymous wrote: > If only there were a technology in which clients could verify and yes, > even trust, each other remotely. Some way in which a digital certificate > on a program could actually be verified, perhaps by some kind of remote, > trusted hardware device. This way you could know

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Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Ken Brown
"James A. Donald" wrote: > > -- > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Matt Crawford wrote: > > > Unless the application author can predict the exact output of > > > the compilers, he can't issue a signature on the object code. > > > The > > On 9 Aug 2002 at 10:48, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > Same version of comp

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread Eric Murray
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 10:05:15AM -0700, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > > On Gnutella discussion sites, programmers are discussing a number of > > technical proposals that would make access to the network contingent > > on good behavior: If you write code that hurts Gnutella, in other > > words, you

RE: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Sam Simpson
I'm not surprised that most people couldn't produce a matching PGP executbales - most compilers (irrespective of compiler optimisation options etc) include a timestamp in the executable. Regards, Sam Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samsimpson.com/ Mob: +44 (0) 7866 726060 Home Offi

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
http://www.anarchy-online.com/ Play trumps politics everytime. Wed, 07 Aug, 2002 Clan Leader Missing! MONGO! 1st Amendment dead drop. http://www.bristolnews.com/front/MGBUSN1MK4D.html "There are some very important reasons behind the secrecy of this court's grand jury process," I would like to te

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Russia: Subliminal media manipulation? Russia's Deputy Media Minister Valerii Sirozhenko has announced that his agency has set up special devices capable of detecting the illegal use of the so-called "25th frame" to send subliminal messages to television viewers, Russian agencies reported. Sirozh

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

2002-08-09 Thread AARG! Anonymous
An article on Salon this morning (also being discussed on slashdot), http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/08/gnutella_developers/print.html, discusses how the file-trading network Gnutella is being threatened by misbehaving clients. In response, the developers are looking at limiting the net

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Today," "GMA" booking wars have gotten "insane," says TV veteran While one source says the situation is "insane," Verne Gay describes the morning show feud as "nutty." Producers at the ABC and NBC morning shows have accused the other of lying, cheating and breaking -- or at least twisting -- estab

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Another Day, Another No-Penalty Microsoft Settlement ZDNet: Microsoft, FTC, Settle over Passport. "We believe that Microsoft made a number of misrepresentations, dealing with, one, the overall security of the Passport system and personal information stored on it; two, the security of online purcha

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
Genetically modified crops may pass helpful traits to weeds, study finds 'For the first time, researchers have shown that a gene artificially inserted into crop plants to fend off pests can migrate to weeds in a natural environment and make the weeds stronger. Scientists studied genetically engine

Jamesd; the ex-trotskyists 'enemies list.'

2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
It's interesting to note a peculiar pattern that seems to be emerging: many of the biggest warmongers, in the post 9/11 era, are ex-nutballs of one sort or another who went "straight" – and veered off into a more lucrative variety of extremism. Murawiec is merely the latest case. Think of David

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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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The Lazy 'C' brand.

2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread Matthew X
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2002-08-09 Thread dean stewart
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Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, David Howe wrote: > It doesn't though - that is the point. I am not sure if it is simply > that there are timestamps in the final executable, but Visual C (to give > a common example, as that is what the windows PGP builds compile with) > will not give an identical binary, eve

Alan Greenspan: Interest Rates Will Rise Soon

2002-08-09 Thread LendersMortgage
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Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread David Howe
> Same version of compiler on same source using same build produces > identical binaries. It doesn't though - that is the point. I am not sure if it is simply that there are timestamps in the final executable, but Visual C (to give a common example, as that is what the windows PGP builds compile w

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Matt Crawford wrote: > Unless the application author can predict the exact output of the > compilers, he can't issue a signature on the object code. The Same version of compiler on same source using same build produces identical binaries. > compilers then have to be inside

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RE: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Lucky Green
Anonymous wrote: > Matt Crawford replied: > > Unless the application author can predict the exact output of the > > compilers, he can't issue a signature on the object code. The > > compilers then have to be inside the trusted base, checking a > > signature on the source code and reflecting it

Utilizing Palladium against software piracy

2002-08-09 Thread Lucky Green
I would like to again thank the Palladium team, in particular Peter Biddle, for participating in yesterday's panel at the USENIX Security conference on Palladium and TCPA. Unfortunately I do not have the time at the moment to write up the many valuable and informative points made during the panel

SF Bay area to begin massive tracking of FasTrak commuters [ or if it is available , we will use or abuse it djf]

2002-08-09 Thread Bill Stewart
The Fastrak system used for toll collections in San Francisco and other areas has found another use - monitoring traffic flow on freeways by tracking suckers\\\customers' cars when they're *not* in tollbooths. The system managers purport that they'll protect privacy by destroying any individua