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No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up your own history. When Saddam came to power,
he seized western
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James A. Donald wrote:
--
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up your own history.
Am I? The west
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up your own history. When
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can tell you that's completely
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, BillyGOTO wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18:04PM +, Jim Dixon wrote:
Relevant numbers from the Times today, quoting Air Force Monthly, January
2003: from 1980 to 1990 Iraq imported 28.9 billion pounds worth of
weapons. 19% by value were from France; 57% from
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18:04PM +, Jim Dixon wrote:
Relevant numbers from the Times today, quoting Air Force Monthly, January
2003: from 1980 to 1990 Iraq imported 28.9 billion pounds worth of
weapons. 19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie
Russia), East Germany,
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19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie Russia),
East Germany, and Czechoslovakia; 8% from China.
[...]
It is not coincidental that the Security Council members opposed to
taking any action on Iraq's repeated violations were
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
I'm very interested in hearing about whether any P2P networks support
encrypted transactions of any sort yet (ie, can one yet pay for some files
via P2P)? Are there any P2P Networks being designed deliberately to support
anything/everything, including
Jim Dixon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Michael Kalus wrote:
BTW, can you provide me with a reference for the dangling bodies'?
Because I was unable to find anything on this so far.
I was travelling in the area (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey)
at the time. In the 1960s the usual overland traveller's
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Daniel Roethlisberger wrote:
19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie Russia),
East Germany, and Czechoslovakia; 8% from China.
[...]
It is not coincidental that the Security Council members opposed to
taking any action on Iraq's repeated
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. [...]
OTO
Ordo Templi Orientalis?
You don't mean *that*, do you?
I suspect I'm suffering from acronym overloading.
Peter
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I wrote it in April, while US bombs were
On 18 Dec, Trei, Peter wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. [...]
OTO
Ordo Templi Orientalis?
You don't mean *that*, do you?
Why not?
I suspect I'm suffering from acronym overloading.
I was simply agreeing with the post of Eric
At 09:24 PM 12/17/2003, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
The really interesting aspect of this is what it portends for the
future. If, as Clay suggests, the current situation is like Prohibition
from citizen perspective can we expect a similar repeal of government
surveillance? If not, what will
At 08:16 PM 12/18/03 +, Jim Dixon wrote:
What exactly do you mean by peered IP telephony?
Voice telephony requires delays measured in tens of milliseconds. A
bit
difficult if you also want encryption, anonymity, etc.
The problem handling the delay comes with the network, not the
At 03:47 PM 12/18/2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 08:16 PM 12/18/03 +, Jim Dixon wrote:
What exactly do you mean by peered IP telephony?
What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user
gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS
certified
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote:
huge snip
The evidence points to deep ties between Russia, France, and Iraq that
goes back decades, plus somewhat weaker ties to China and Germany.
Relations between the US and Baath-controlled Iraq were bad from the
beginning; American bodies dangling
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote:
SNIP
Why does the US military have
to treat them as though they had US constitutional rights? They are not
citizens or physically present in the United States.
In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does
not *establish*
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By January 1984, /The Washington Post/ was reporting that the
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that the defeat of Iraq would be contrary to U.S.
interests. That sent the message that America would not
object to
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On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:09, J.A. Terranson wrote:
And all of this is meaningless: we simply had no right to
invade a foreign, *sovereign* nation.
Although you probably do not know it, you are invoking the
rules of the peace of Westphalia.
The Soviet Union never respected the peace of
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 18 Dec 2003 at 5:40, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
I think you might have forgotten about the other half the
system, due process. Even if you KNOW something, you've got
to go through the motions.
Different rules apply in war.
One
Debka: Conflict's Drudge Report?
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Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47325,00.html
02:00 AM Oct. 05, 2001 PT
The Iraqis are training Osama bin Laden's troops in chemical and biological
weapons; Russian commando units packing newly acquired American arms
What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user
gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS
I don't get what does this have to do with crypto.
Outside crypto, this didn't quite work with (almost) public fax gateways of
'90s. In theory, you could
At 06:14 PM 12/18/2003, Morlock Elloi wrote:
What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user
gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS
However, I don't see people letting others use their POTS lines, nor I see
them
using their own for this
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:34:00 -0800
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
--
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Different rules apply in war.
J.A.
--
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Different rules apply in war.
J.A. Terranson wrote:
One leettllleee problem: we are not really at war.
Sure looks like war to me.
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:09, J.A. Terranson wrote:
And all of this is meaningless: we simply had no right to
invade a foreign, *sovereign* nation.
Although you probably do not know it, you are invoking the
rules of the peace of Westphalia.
The
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, BillyGOTO wrote:
Nice, but the problem still remains: At this point it doesn't matter
what he has done (or we say he has done). This is not a punishment.
Innocent until proofen guilty anyone? This is the basis for the
enlightened western society, no?
This isn't a ski
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Michael Kalus:
he [Saddam] is shown and paraded on TV (and don't tell me
he wasn't because showing a man in his state, showing how he
gets examined is clearly an attempt to break the morale).
James A. Donald;
Secondly; It is being overly sensitive about the feelings
of those poor
At 12:39 PM 12/17/2003, Patrick Chkoreff on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, Clay Shirky has done it again, writing a very insightful article
on the current digital scene, this time on the unintended but
beneficial consequences of RIAA's crackdown on file sharing.
Here is one particularly
At 02:49 PM 12/17/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 06:59:59PM -0500, John Kelsey wrote:
us. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but our foreign policy ought to be
made based on what is in our long-term best interest (our meaning
American citizens); realistically,
R. A. Hettinga wrote:
At 2:58 PM + 12/12/03, ken wrote:
Bruce is a lefty, but not a statist
rghhht...
That's like saying that he's a sow, but not a boar...
grunt grunt
At 12:39 PM 12/17/2003, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
Well, Clay Shirky has done it again, writing a very insightful article
on the current digital scene, this time on the unintended but
beneficial consequences of RIAA's crackdown on file sharing.
Here is one particularly telling excerpt:
Note that the
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 09:38 PM, Steve Schear wrote:
Note that the broadening adoption of encryption is not because users
have become libertarians, but because they have become criminals; to
a
first approximation, every PC owner under the age of 35 is now a
felon.
--
Encryption is a defense against threats. For people to adopt
encryption, they need to be threatened.
All businessmen are guilty of insider trading and destruction
of evidence. In consequence all businessmen use encrypted vpn
internally within companies, but not, however, in external
At 09:24 PM 12/17/2003, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
The really interesting aspect of this is what it portends for the
future. If, as Clay suggests, the current situation is like Prohibition
from citizen perspective can we expect a similar repeal of government
surveillance? If not, what will
James A, Donald writes:
I see: So when the US army is so unkind as to film Saddam
acting submissive, this is a shocking violation of his human
rights, and your bleeding heart feels for him deeply.
But when, however, people fly a plainload of passengers into
two tall buildings and murder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, and countless Iraqi refugees all report
similar stories of widespread torture and murder. Is it your position
that these are all propagandists?
Dismissing as propaganda any reports that oppose your argument,
You can't
predict what the crowd will say, and the Arab crowd is no more
symplistic than the American one. It does work somewhat differently,
and does display different mentality, whatever that means, but none of
it is exploitable with any useful degree of certainty by cheap armchair
Harmon Seaver wrote:
This isn't a ski mask burglary. We KNOW Saddam ruled Iraq.
We KNOW what crimes were committed. Simple syllogism.
No we don't. We only know what the propaganda mills have told us.
Twenty years ago it was a different story.
The propaganda mills were working for
--
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up your own history. When Saddam came to power,
he seized western
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18:04PM +, Jim Dixon wrote:
Relevant numbers from the Times today, quoting Air Force Monthly, January
2003: from 1980 to 1990 Iraq imported 28.9 billion pounds worth of
weapons. 19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie
Russia), East Germany,
James A. Donald wrote:
--
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up your own history.
Am I? The west
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up your own history. When
Uh...I assume you're quoting somebody here?
The last point is actually a very good one, but getting there requires
hacking through gobbledeegook. What's this all businessmen silliness? And
using vpns WITHIN a company? As an employee of a major Wall Street firm, I
can tell you that's completely
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, BillyGOTO wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18:04PM +, Jim Dixon wrote:
Relevant numbers from the Times today, quoting Air Force Monthly, January
2003: from 1980 to 1990 Iraq imported 28.9 billion pounds worth of
weapons. 19% by value were from France; 57% from
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
I'm very interested in hearing about whether any P2P networks support
encrypted transactions of any sort yet (ie, can one yet pay for some files
via P2P)? Are there any P2P Networks being designed deliberately to support
anything/everything, including
Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-12-18/19:18]:
19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie Russia),
East Germany, and Czechoslovakia; 8% from China.
[...]
It is not coincidental that the Security Council members opposed to
taking any action on Iraq's repeated violations were
Jim Dixon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote:
No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't
matter while Saddam was the good guy for our causes (and by
that I mean the Western world general).
You are making up
I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. If you are
interested in an expanded and predictive analysis, check here.
US aggression leads predictably to bad results: Take action to stop the war now
http://proclus.tripod.com/radical/wartext4.html
I wrote it in April, while US bombs were
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. [...]
OTO
Ordo Templi Orientalis?
You don't mean *that*, do you?
I suspect I'm suffering from acronym overloading.
Peter
On 18 Dec, Trei, Peter wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. [...]
OTO
Ordo Templi Orientalis?
You don't mean *that*, do you?
Why not?
I suspect I'm suffering from acronym overloading.
I was simply agreeing with the post of Eric
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Michael Kalus wrote:
BTW, can you provide me with a reference for the dangling bodies'?
Because I was unable to find anything on this so far.
I was travelling in the area (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey)
at the time. In the 1960s the usual overland traveller's
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Daniel Roethlisberger wrote:
19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie Russia),
East Germany, and Czechoslovakia; 8% from China.
[...]
It is not coincidental that the Security Council members opposed to
taking any action on Iraq's repeated
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