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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:09, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > And all of this is meaningless: we simply had no right to > > invade a foreign, *sovereign* nation. > > Although you probably do not know it, you are invoking the > rules of the peace of Westphalia.

U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > > Different rules apply in war. J.A. Terranson wrote: > One leettllleee problem: we are not really at war. Sure looks like war to me. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG m/LKiwI0Eg2NXtazt

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:34:00 -0800 > From: James A. Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention? > > -- > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > > > Different rules apply in war. >

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Morlock Elloi
> Because it means you can complete call to the POTs with no > company-controlled switch involved, meaning no where to serve a court > order. Since the call could be routed through a few intermediate nodes and I see. So, in the real world, X uses this to make telephone threats, your POTS gets

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:09, J.A. Terranson wrote: > And all of this is meaningless: we simply had no right to > invade a foreign, *sovereign* nation. Although you probably do not know it, you are invoking the rules of the peace of Westphalia. The Soviet Union never respected the peace of West

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 18 Dec 2003 at 14:07, Michael Kalus wrote: > The west traded heavily with [Saddam], be it the US, France, > Germany, the UK. The west, including the US traded and continues to trade heavily with Castro, yet somehow that does not lead you to believe they think Castro a good guy, nor does

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:14 PM 12/18/2003, Morlock Elloi wrote: > What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user > gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS However, I don't see people letting others use their POTS lines, nor I see them using their own for this purp

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 18 Dec 2003 at 15:42, Michael Kalus wrote: > By January 1984, /The Washington Post/ was reporting that the > United States had told friendly nations in the Persian Gulf > that the defeat of Iraq would "be contrary to U.S. > interests." That sent the message that America would not > object

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Morlock Elloi
> What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user > gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS I don't get what does this have to do with crypto. Outside crypto, this didn't quite work with (almost) public fax gateways of '90s. In theory, you could

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Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-18 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote: > Why does the US military have > to treat them as though they had US constitutional rights? They are not > citizens or physically present in the United States. In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does not *establish* t

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > On 18 Dec 2003 at 5:40, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote: > > I think you might have forgotten about the other half the > > system, due process. Even if you "KNOW" something, you've got > > to go through the motions. > > Different rules apply in wa

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote: > The evidence points to deep ties between Russia, France, and Iraq that > goes back decades, plus somewhat weaker ties to China and Germany. > Relations between the US and Baath-controlled Iraq were bad from the > beginning; American bodies dangling from r

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Schear
At 03:47 PM 12/18/2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 08:16 PM 12/18/03 +, Jim Dixon wrote: >What exactly do you mean by "peered IP telephony"? What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS certified

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RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:16 PM 12/18/03 +, Jim Dixon wrote: >What exactly do you mean by "peered IP telephony"? > >Voice telephony requires delays measured in tens of milliseconds. A bit >difficult if you also want encryption, anonymity, etc. The problem handling the delay comes with the network, not the encry

Re: [dgc.chat] Fwd: [NEC] #2.12: The RIAA Succeeds Where the CypherPunks Failed

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Schear
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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Daniel Roethlisberger wrote: > > 19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie Russia), > > East Germany, and Czechoslovakia; 8% from China. > [...] > > It is not coincidental that the Security Council members opposed to > > taking any action on Iraq's repeated

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Michael Kalus wrote: > BTW, can you provide me with a reference for the "dangling bodies'? > Because I was unable to find anything on this so far. I was travelling in the area (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey) at the time. In the 1960s the usual overland traveller

RE: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread proclus
On 18 Dec, Trei, Peter wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. [...] > > OTO > Ordo Templi Orientalis? > > You don't mean *that*, do you? Why not? > I suspect I'm suffering from acronym overloading. I was simply agreeing with the post of

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread proclus
I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. If you are interested in an expanded and predictive analysis, check here. US aggression leads predictably to bad results: Take action to stop the war now http://proclus.tripod.com/radical/wartext4.html I wrote it in April, while US bombs were t

RE: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Trei, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I would like to throw in with the OTO gunners here. [...] OTO Ordo Templi Orientalis? You don't mean *that*, do you? I suspect I'm suffering from acronym overloading. Peter

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread proclus
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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Michael Kalus
Jim Dixon wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote: No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't matter while Saddam was the "good guy" for our causes (and by that I mean the Western world general). You are making up

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: > I'm very interested in hearing about whether any P2P networks support > encrypted transactions of any sort yet (ie, can one yet pay for some files > via P2P)? Are there any P2P Networks being designed deliberately to support > anything/everything, includi

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Daniel Roethlisberger
Jim Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-18/19:18]: > 19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie Russia), > East Germany, and Czechoslovakia; 8% from China. [...] > It is not coincidental that the Security Council members opposed to > taking any action on Iraq's repeated violations

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread BillyGOTO
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18:04PM +, Jim Dixon wrote: > Relevant numbers from the Times today, quoting Air Force Monthly, January > 2003: from 1980 to 1990 Iraq imported 28.9 billion pounds worth of > weapons. 19% by value were from France; 57% from the Soviet Union (ie > Russia), East Germa

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, BillyGOTO wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18:04PM +, Jim Dixon wrote: > > Relevant numbers from the Times today, quoting Air Force Monthly, January > > 2003: from 1980 to 1990 Iraq imported 28.9 billion pounds worth of > > weapons. 19% by value were from France; 57%

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote: > > No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't > > matter while Saddam was the "good guy" for our causes (and by > > that I mean the Western world general). > > You are making up your own histo

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread Michael Kalus
James A. Donald wrote: -- On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote: No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't matter while Saddam was the "good guy" for our causes (and by that I mean the Western world general). You are making up your own history. Am I? The west tr

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:54, Michael Kalus wrote: > No, but it is very interresting that all of this didn't > matter while Saddam was the "good guy" for our causes (and by > that I mean the Western world general). You are making up your own history. When Saddam came to power, he seized west

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

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