Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread Anonymous via panta
Harmon Seaver wrote: If a member of a club, to which you belong, commits an act of violence, are you liable for that act? No, but if the club, as an entity, does such, you should be. If the corporation pollutes, all and sundry owners and employees should be equally liable. Or maybe

Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread mfidelman
On 26 Mar 2004, Frog wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: If a voluntary association injures me, Associations - corporate or otherwise - are abstract, intangible entities. They don't perform actions. People do. Corporations act as legal persons - they can enter into contracts, own assetts,

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Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 7:20 AM + 3/26/04, Justin wrote: Those nasty latin words are ceteris paribus. Thank you. On a network full of experts the price of error is bandwidth. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation

Re: expiring bearer documents

2004-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 9:48 PM -0800 3/25/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 09:20 PM 3/25/04 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Fine. Make it cheaper. Moore's Law creates geodesic networks, so let's have geodesic internet bearer transactions. Yesss! Its only taken a month or

Re: Anonymizer employees need killing

2004-03-26 Thread petard
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 01:32:43AM -0500, An Metet wrote: From http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/36485.html : To download the online picture, he used the Anonymizer.com service, believing the companys privacy policy would protect him. Not so. Dutch The article got it wrong. He used

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Re: Anonymizer employees need killing

2004-03-26 Thread Eric Tully
From The Register: To download the online picture, he used the anonymising Surfola service (and not Anonymiser.com as we mistakenly wrote in our initial report - apologies to all concerned - Ed), believing the companys privacy policy would protect him. So now I don't know what to believe.

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Re: Max's Lesson (was Re: [osint] Martha's lesson - don't talk to the FBI)

2004-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:30 PM -0500 3/24/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JUSTICE? Yawn. Plonk... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect

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Re: expiring bearer documents

2004-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:10 AM 3/26/04 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:48 PM -0800 3/25/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: This recently occurred to me. There is a type of bearer document which is exactly like cash (anonymous, finder's keepers/spenders) *except* that it expires. Its called a concert ticket.

Anonymity of prepaid phone chip-cards

2004-03-26 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Local cops busted somebody who threatened to derail some trains if he won't get paid. That's a common news. Less common, and more important, detail that the TV news reported confirms the suspicion I had from the beginning of deployment of the prepaid cards technology for local payphones. Each

RE: Anonymity of prepaid phone chip-cards

2004-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:39 PM 3/26/04 -0600, Black Unicorn wrote: Keeping calling cards from leaking information probably isn't possible. Limiting the information leaked to that which is already known or is useless is probably the best bet. Using separate cards for separate operations / cells and immediate

RE: Anonymity of prepaid phone chip-cards

2004-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:41 AM 3/27/04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet one would've thought that a smart radical would have been able to purchase a measly couple of 50 lb bags of (NH4NO3) without having to call all over the place and brag about it, and for cash at that. You don't want it known, don't say

Re: Anonymity of prepaid phone chip-cards

2004-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:05 AM 3/27/04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:51 PM 3/26/2004, Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suggested countermeasure: When true anonymity is requested, use the card ONLY ONCE, then destroy it. Better yet, take another 10 minutes, get change from a laundromat, and use

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Re: Anonymity of prepaid phone chip-cards

2004-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 7:51 PM +0100 3/26/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I strongly suspect the usage logs exist for individual cards, allowing to back-trace the phonecalls done with the given card, thus tracing the identity of the card's owner by the call patterns. Of course. How do you think they caught the Oklahoma

Re: expiring bearer documents

2004-03-26 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:59 PM 3/26/04 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:14 AM -0800 3/26/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: The point is that the asset (a performance) which the bearer-document (ticket) grants access to expires. I think that's actually orthogonal to the ticket itself expiring. Okay. The inverse,

Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread Justin
R. A. Hettinga (2004-03-26 12:41Z) wrote: At 7:20 AM + 3/26/04, Justin wrote: Those nasty latin words are ceteris paribus. Thank you. On a network full of experts the price of error is bandwidth. There's no reason to get all sarcastic. For all I knew you could have unintentionally

Anonymizer employees need killing

2004-03-26 Thread An Metet
Anonymizer is working with the FBI on international blackmail cases - no subpoena required! From http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/36485.html : To download the online picture, he used the Anonymizer.com service, believing the companys privacy policy would protect him. Not so. Dutch

Re: Anonymizer employees need killing

2004-03-26 Thread petard
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 01:32:43AM -0500, An Metet wrote: From http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/36485.html : To download the online picture, he used the Anonymizer.com service, believing the companys privacy policy would protect him. Not so. Dutch The article got it wrong. He used

Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread Anonymous via panta
Harmon Seaver wrote: If a member of a club, to which you belong, commits an act of violence, are you liable for that act? No, but if the club, as an entity, does such, you should be. If the corporation pollutes, all and sundry owners and employees should be equally liable. Or maybe

Re: corporate vs. state

2004-03-26 Thread mfidelman
On 26 Mar 2004, Frog wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: If a voluntary association injures me, Associations - corporate or otherwise - are abstract, intangible entities. They don't perform actions. People do. Corporations act as legal persons - they can enter into contracts, own assetts,

RE: the Black Bloc Corporation

2004-03-26 Thread Black Unicorn
What you are asking about (at Tort in any event) is the legal doctrine of respondeat superior (let the master answer) making the master liable for certain acts of the servant. An employer is therefore typically liable for injury to person or property resulting from acts of an employee (See

RE: the Black Bloc Corporation

2004-03-26 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 12:17 PM -0600 3/26/04, Black Unicorn wrote: respondeat superior He's back. Kewl... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may

Re: Anonymizer employees need killing

2004-03-26 Thread bgt
On Mar 26, 2004, at 9:13, petard wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 01:32:43AM -0500, An Metet wrote: From http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/36485.html : To download the online picture, he used the Anonymizer.com service, believing the companys privacy policy would protect him. Not so. Dutch

Re: Anonymizing service employees rat out extortionist

2004-03-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:16 AM 3/26/2004, Eric Tully wrote to the Cypherpunks list From The Register: To download the online picture, he used the anonymising Surfola service (and not Anonymiser.com as we mistakenly wrote in our initial report - apologies to all concerned - Ed), believing the company's