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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-10 Thread J.A. Terranson
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Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread J.A. Terranson
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Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: > And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the > Mixmaster bandwidth. No, it's not. There are other things that can produce the same cover effects: cron jobs or daemons that fire off random chaff work just as well, without the m

Re: Insurrectionist covers

2004-12-10 Thread Justin
On 2004-12-10T15:50:22-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > > --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve Thompson wrote: > > > > > --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [Colouring outside the lines] > > > > > Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Trei, Peter wrote: > J.A. Terranson wrote: > > (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my > > belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that > > use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages > > only. I really do not understand why this view >

[p2p-hackers] Re: Memory and reputation calculation

2004-12-10 Thread Tim Benham
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RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
Maybe, but I think it would be very hard to write a general-purpose stego detector, without >knowing the techniques used for encoding the message. And if you know the distribution of your >cover channel as well as your attacker, or can generate lots of values from that distribution even if >y

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Re: Insurrectionist covers

2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
Steve Thompson wrote: c.f. "Take back the night", et. cetera. (And put it where?) Anyhow, isn't insurrection illegal or something? ISTR reading about the natural right of the corrupt state to exist unconditionally, and it's obligation to crush any question of change for any reason. The structure

Re: Insurrectionist covers

2004-12-10 Thread Steve Thompson
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Thompson wrote: > > > --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Colouring outside the lines] > > > Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover would be as local > coordinator of Neighborhood Watch c.f. "Take b

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
In my family there's a famous story told of a particular musician who was busted on marijuana possession. His defense: "But your honor...it was only lemonade." -TD From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subge

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-10 Thread Steve Thompson
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Re: tangled contexts

2004-12-10 Thread Steve Thompson
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Process and perception > [snip] > We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, > saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive > illumination is the path of chronus. If you go about tappin

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2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
Steve Thompson wrote: --- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: [assholes] You tell them, Steve I believe I just did. Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist! I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of

Re: Timing Paranoia

2004-12-10 Thread Steve Thompson
--- "Roy M. Silvernail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Thompson wrote: > > [imagine] > > Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur > operates from geostationary orbit. That would be a neat trick considering the variety of likely signal path lengths to be found in

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread Steve Thompson
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Thompson wrote: > >[assholes] > > You tell them, Steve I believe I just did. > Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist! I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of the White Room Hotel may only carr

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
Tyler Durden wrote: Well, when you put it that way, that changes everything. All is now clear. Please continue downloading the syntactic mappings of random neural firing...I'm using your output to seed a random number generator. Oh, and don't forget to cc Choate. -TD You could do worse, my entro

Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the Mixmaster bandwidth. -TD From: "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: punkly current events Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:19:26 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004,

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-10 Thread Steve Thompson
--- "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: > > > > (STANDING OVATION) (SOUNDS OF MANY HANDS CLAPPING) > > Thank you Steve, for that short but entertaining look into the dark > recesses of our collective consciousness :-) That's what I'm

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Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: > If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, when you put it that way, that changes everything. All is now clear. Please continue downloading the syntactic mappings of random neural firing...I'm using your output to seed a random number generator. Oh, and don't forget to cc Choate. -TD From: "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [p2p-hackers] Re: Memory and reputation calculation (fwd from [EMAIL PROTECTED])

2004-12-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Paul Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Paul Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:29:27 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] Re: Memory and reputation calculation User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Reply-To: "Peer-to-peer development." <[

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
Tyler Durden wrote: As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the "whether". That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theor

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the "whether". That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory is Cypherpunkish c

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:56 AM -0500 12/10/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my procmail file What's taking you so long? :-) Cheers, RAH cf: various imprecations against feeding trolls &cet... Aww, come on guys i only eat little sheep and

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
Roy M. Silvernail wrote: R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 pos

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread Will Morton
Roy M. Silvernail wrote: R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 pos

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Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:56 AM -0500 12/10/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: >But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW"B"E in my procmail >file What's taking you so long? :-) Cheers, RAH cf: various imprecations against feeding trolls &cet... -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting C

Re: tangled context probe

2004-12-10 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RW

Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:53:26AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > > Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction? Ok, Iran, N Kr, Most places outside US which are not banana republics. I'm living in one. > until > we pull a regime change (tm) on them. Yeah, they have a lot of 'net

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2004-12-10 Thread R.W. (Bob) Erickson
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RE: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread Trei, Peter
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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

2004-12-10 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread Trei, Peter
J.A. Terranson wrote: > (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my > belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that > use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages > only. I really do not understand why this view > is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty de

Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: >> If the Klan doesn't have >> a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will >> survive? > >Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what >makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead? OK, substitute

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RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread John Kelsey
>From: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Dec 9, 2004 2:47 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages ... >NSA folks, on the other hand, I would assume have

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

2004-12-10 Thread John Kelsey
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Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:01:25AM -0500, Gabriel Rocha wrote: > The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know > the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what I don't have data either. I'm guessing the "bad" traffic part is 95-98%. (I'm extrapola

Re: punkly current events

2004-12-10 Thread Gabriel Rocha
On Dec 10 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: | | Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? | | If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know the ratios of good/bad tra

[p2p-hackers] Re: Memory and reputation calculation (fwd from [EMAIL PROTECTED])

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2004-12-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
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