Re: MD5 collisions?

At 09:04 PM 8/17/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >At 7:33 PM -0500 8/17/04, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>One is enough. Less is more. Let's eliminate redundancy, thus eliminating >>redundancy. LMAO RAH :-) = 36 Laurelwood Dr Irvine CA 92620-1299 VOX

Re: Did you *really* zeroize that key?

At 03:55 PM 11/7/02 +0100, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: >Regardless of whether one uses "volatile" or a pragma, the basic point >remains: cryptographic application writers have to be aware of what a >clever compiler can do, so that they know to take countermeasures. Wouldn't a crypto coder be usin

Re: Flag Wars: The Red Cross Attacks Pot

At 07:47 PM 1/27/02 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >The American Red Cross has asked the American Medical Marijuana >Association to stop using the red >cross with a marijuana leaf in the background in their insignia. >I've been promised the email exchanges between

Re: Looking back ten years: Another Cypherpunks failure

At 10:35 AM 1/27/02 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Could someone post, or point to, a review of disk encryption >products. OS: MS Win Scramdisk is free, reliable, and source is available. I've used it on a 200 Mhz laptop for some years---and I run my email from the encrypted virtual-partit

Re: Thinking outside the box, deviously

At 08:22 AM 1/25/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: >On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 09:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I've concluded that you can't answer Tim's riddle >> without knowing the radius of the drill --but I may >> put myself open to ridicule for suggesting this. >> > >But if you were dev

Re: Ecash fraud resolution

At 10:37 AM 1/24/2002 +, Ken Brown wrote: >How unusual. All I am left with is the trite insight that in human >beings (and I suspect any species with a decent memory in which males >play, or can play, a significant part in rearing offspring) assessment >of reputation is, if not hard-wired, pre

Re: cell phone guns

At 07:37 PM 12/30/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: > This makes little sense. There are a great many .22 pistols which >have external hammers or an sufficient safety. Why would you have to >rack a slide, other than when you first loaded. With most, if not all, >semi-auto handguns, you always car

Re: Choices of small handguns

At 02:53 PM 12/30/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: >(* I've heard some claim that stainless steel is not a good idea, as it >glints in the dark. Perhaps, but this seems like a second-order effect >for any real use. It is also possible to get it in blackened stainless, >as the SIGs are commonly in.) I'

Re: cell phone guns

At 02:52 PM 12/30/01 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >At 7:33 AM -0800 12/29/01, David Honig wrote: >>Mossad prefers suppressed Berretta .22 which doesn't need racking. > >Actually they're fond of using the single action Beretta model 70s in >.22lr. I believe that'

Re: cell phone guns

At 08:26 PM 12/29/01 -0600, david wrote: >On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:00 pm, Faustine wrote: > >> Hm, whatever works, I guess. Sheer stealth isn't as much a factor for me as >> is accuracy I don't think the yugo cellphone .22 has been taken to the range by an American gun rag yet... "Thunder

brinworld, sexchart

Wired interview with creator of sexchart http://wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48997,00.html The graph: http://www.attrition.org/hosted/sexchart/sexchart.9.25 Relevence to Brin's _Transparent Society_ etc should be obvious.

Re: cell phone guns

At 03:16 PM 12/28/01 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: >22 caliber four-shot pistol hidden inside a cell phone, uncovered >during police raids in Europe. > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/phone001205.html > >"Cell phone users will have to be made aware that reaching for their >phones in so

Re: cell phone guns

At 06:54 PM 12/28/01 -0500, Faustine wrote: > >Not surprising, since cell phone holster decoys have been around for ages. >Why settle for a .22 when you could be packing a Glock 30? >Like this... Better stealth. I like the NAA .22 belt buckle. Can also fit inside a beeper case. Mossad prefers

Re: Western Culture

At 11:48 AM 12/28/01 -0800, John Young wrote: >of northern European hinterlands, Anglo-Saxon defectives >still enthralled with ceremonial violence inherent in >costume, sports, entertainment, prejudice, pride, and >exculpation of ego-driven indifference to harm caused >others Wait, are you talki

Re: Fear and Trembling

At 09:53 PM 12/27/01 -0800, John Young wrote: >Targets for centers of these exports are not hard to >identify, After the WTC, the only truly theatrically worth it encore I can think of is a stinger at the space shuttle. This would not trepan the serpent but would kick the angst up a notch. Then

Re: Explosive smuggling (@#%$@# deleted)

At 11:49 PM 12/26/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: >effective against drug smuggling. The risk is very real; a woman >could carry several pounds of explosives. "They" are aware of this >but there isn't much they can do right now. No one has yet mentioned surgically implanted explosives. You could ca

Re: Start Ups, Crypto Companies, and Commercialization

At 11:55 AM 12/23/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: >Being an old-timer, I like to say: In my day, we had to walk five miles >through the snow to get a cup of mud from the vending machine. Actually, >in my day at Intel we were lucky to have patty melts for lunch, as most >of us ate out of vending machin

Re: Pay per use remailers and remailer reliability tracking.

At 09:30 PM 12/20/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: >> A token-based remailer system, while an "obvious" system, would be a >> major accomplishment. > >Any kind of privacy-enhanced token/payment/value system would be a >major accomplishment at this point. The c'punks have been in biz for >almost ten yea

Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts

At 11:47 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Petro wrote: > That would be utterly pointless (no pun intended). The value of >Postscript is that it *isn't* a set of pixels. No, it wouldn't be pointless. Postscript is not the only way to print. It is the equivalent of using a function that approximates the

Re: MS DRM OS

At 12:38 AM 12/19/01 +, Graham Lally wrote: >Ralph Wallis wrote: > >> On Monday, 17 Dec 2001 at 07:58, Michael Motyka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>Could someone who knows more than I do explain to me why this MS "IP" is >>>anything other than making the owner of a PC unable to have root a

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

At 02:42 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to >> the remailer's key? > >Who is to say that spammers won't use remailer clients that automa

Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts

At 12:04 PM 12/18/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Interesting article. However, it appears that it's not the fonts themselves >that are copyrightable, but rather the "code" >that draws them. From the same article: This is what I remembered (from this list BTW) and why I suggested that th

Re: CIA in NYC

At 02:06 PM 12/18/01 -0800, John Young wrote: >Couple of things on that. The building, which was only >a few years old, is reported to have collapsed due to >high heat of oil storage tanks, a small tank on the upper >floor to serve NYC Emergency Operations, and an >unsually large tank in the basem

Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts

At 07:35 PM 12/17/01 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >"ATM" is "Adobe Type Manager". Linotype is a big font house. >Intellectual Property laws for fonts are normally even stranger than for >regular material, >but if any of these are in Postscript, they're also programs, >so there may be DMCA issues,

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

At 06:56 PM 12/17/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > >> Yes, I have read the letter - they need to treat input from known remailers >> differently due to worries over spam and flooding attacks, so they treat >> other known remailers as priviliged sources of hig

Re: AP Al quim

At 09:40 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >I don't have a problem with commerce per se. Capitalism I do have a >problem with, greed <> good. Is the basic human drive to better one's circumstances bad, Jim?

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

At 10:39 AM 12/12/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >PS: Not all libertarians believe the "the public responsibilities of >the press are a myth." It's entirely possible to reconcile that phrase >with the idea that a newspaper is a for-profit business. > I'm afraid the closest I can come is to rec

Re: FreeSWAN & unnatural monopolies

At 06:35 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >Dude, there are HUNDREDS of alternate GUI front-ends (the vast majority >are not compatible with X (aka MIT's Athens - there's your clue as to its >popularity). Unfortunately they don't get the technical backing to get a >significant 'bootstrap' perce

Re: AP Al quim

At 12:13 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >No, I'm not. 'discrimination' requires(!) 'prejudice'. Prejudice is the In Choate prime, perhaps. For the rest of us, measurement (e.g., the redness vs greenness of a fruit) lets us discriminate useful from not.

Re: AP Al quim

At 11:33 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: >> Merit is inevitably judged by "somebody else". And discriminating >> on the basis of merit is tautologically discriminatory. > >Actually 'merit' isn't. Merit is

Re: AP Al quim

At 11:16 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >And no, a meritocracy isn't disriminatory. You get what you put into it, >not what somebody else thinks it's worth. Merit is inevitably judged by "somebody else". And discriminating on the basis of merit is tautologically discriminatory. D'oh.

Re: AP Al quim

At 09:53 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >Tim said its an openly elitist list >once. Yes, so is an university. A meritocracy is necessarily discriminatory. Deal with it. AOL has plenty of groups for folks who find this list too abrasive..

Re: "Spoiling" digital cash

At 09:48 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Anonymous wrote: > >> To rip the coin, the passenger gives the taxi driver t = s^e1, along >> with x. The driver can verify that t^e2 = s^(e1*e2) = s^e1 = x mod n >> which tells him that it is a real coin. He also sends (t, x) t

Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk

At 10:08 AM 12/9/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> First people swapped chickens for goats. >> >> Then they used more portable forms of exact trade, where >> the portable forms were still of equal value, but easier to pock

Re: RUSSIAN POLICE ARREST GANG TRYING TO SELL URANIUM

At 09:41 PM 12/7/01 -0500, Steven Furlong wrote: > >Do illegal fissionable distributors do the same as illegal drug >distributors and cut the good stuff with (hopefully) inert filler? > This wouldn't be easy if the radioactives weren't powdered, e.g., spend rods or pellets. And you'd expect the

Re: : Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk

At 06:17 AM 12/8/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >jamesd... >"Money in the US was largely privately issued until 1915. >Capitalism long predates government monopolies of money. >The word dollar comes from thaler, which a government stamped >ounce of silver -- but stamped by a minor government very far >awa

codetalkers get some press

Last night the local SoCal TV news had some Navajo codetalkers on the tube, and (today? weekend?) they will be feted at a parade. Supposedly hollywood will be milking their accomplishments in a movie soon. All part of Pearl Harbor (tm) hoo-hah.

Re: IP-FLASH Office XP, Windows XP May Send Sensitive Documents toMicrosoft (fwd)

At 02:04 PM 12/7/01 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >Subject: IP-FLASH Office XP, > Windows XP May Send Sensitive Documents to Microsoft > >PROBLEM: Microsoft Office XP and Internet Explorer version 5 and later are >configured to request to send debugging information to Microsoft in the >event of a

Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk

At 05:35 AM 12/7/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >Dave Honig wrote...Joe the nailmaker invests in a machine to make nails faster >than he can by hand. Who has he coerced? > >Who cares? its low level market and > >trade Well, I care about coercion; and you state that 'capitalism is coercion'. >The impl

Re: Delta airlines doesn't allow sick person to carry their meds

At 11:31 AM 12/6/01 -0500, Greg Newby wrote: >But insisting >on carrying smoking materials when smoking is prohibited >is also absurd -- it doesn't say if he was keeping >it on his person or trying to put it in checked >baggage, but it seems unlikely he would have had >any problem if it was checke

Re: Real capitalism falling down drunk

At 08:03 PM 12/6/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >Coercion is implicit in all capitalism above low level market and >trade Joe the nailmaker invests in a machine to make nails faster than he can by hand. Who has he coerced?

Re: Meta-reputations

At 07:40 AM 12/6/01 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >The main problem is how to do the transfer cleanly, such that the former >nym owner can't damage the reputation once sold. Several solutions >have been offered, involving doing a key change. Complications arise >in terms of making the old key usele

Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable

At 11:42 AM 12/3/01 -0500, Sunder wrote: >Ok, then I propose to surround your property from any vantage point on >public land, and setup gigantic speakers from which I would recite very >loud speeches in your direction at 3:00am. Why not do some high-power microwave testing in his direction?

Re: Reputation of a Reputation

At 10:17 AM 12/3/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: >As soon as people tumble to the fact that "Tom Clancy" has sold his >nym/reputation to some hack writer, that is, let them put his name on >their words, then the reputation of "Tom Clancy" falls. I was coming to that conclusion thanks to the public exc

Re: will the real capitalism please stand up

At 01:58 PM 12/6/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >Objectivism the real thing? How do you separate fascism from capitalism? Coercion.

Re: Russian Party of Pensioners Manifesto,

At 07:58 AM 12/5/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >"Non libertarian anarchy?" > Non-lib anarchy is gang rule. Libs support a minimal govt to protect everyones' rights.

Re: dead reporter found in motel

At 11:16 AM 12/2/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Yeah, it wasn't terrible. But it wasn't up there with the Linux >Chainsaw Massacre either. > >-Declan Is that an updated sequel to the Xenix Chainsaw Massacre? Did you get an advance copy for review :-)

Enigma - sources

>From: "Rafal Brzeski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Enigma - sources >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:16:16 +0100 > >As I was asked to provide documentary evidence regarding Polish pre-war >codebreaking achievements I would like to inform all List Members that .pdf >versions of

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

At 08:18 AM 12/1/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 30 Nov 2001, at 22:05, Petro wrote: >> What makes you think a reputation cannot be bought and sold? >> Ever hear of Public Relations firms? Politicians? >> Both are in the business of buying and selling reputations. >> > >Not

Re: Rumors of the death of Cypherpunks are greatly exaggerated

At 10:38 PM 11/29/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> Um, Jim, despite the slump, there still plenty of free lowbrow sites for >> Joe Random to start a mailing list for anything, so Tim's financial >> status is irreleve

Re: fuel injected firearm

At 05:23 PM 11/30/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >RE: Metalstorm.As they can be made e-specific to one owner,I think we >should all be able to have a liscenced version along with stingers in case >rouge airliners get loose in our skies. Southwest has that ugly yellow/red stripe, not really what I'd cal

Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable

> Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable Its not censorship if its not the government. A gun show is a private affair; they can exclude any vendor or seller, morally. Legally they fnord can't exclude for certain criteria, eg cutaneous albedo. Cheers

Re: Cattle Herding... (was Re: in praise of gold)

At 05:21 PM 11/26/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Cows might have served well as currency for primitives like the >Etruscans, but can you imagine using them today? I took >a bus this morning, the fair was 1.10 and I only had paper money >so they ripped me off 90 cents. But if I was an Etr

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

At 09:42 PM 11/26/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >Reputation itself is a problem. Past behaviour (toward another) is not a >reasonable predictor of future behavior (toward myself). Yes but your past behavior towards this list *is* empirically a reasonable predictor of the value of your present and

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

At 03:54 PM 11/26/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 25 Nov 2001, at 19:30, David Honig wrote: >> >> I recently posted how ground squirrels have rep cap. >> > >It was interesting, but unless I misread it (a distinct possibility) >the squirrels didn'

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

At 10:28 AM 11/26/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >It seems to me that reputation capital is a term that has limited >value when applied to something as subjective as the areas above: >having an article published in the editorial pages of the Wall Street >Journal (or the Journal of Socialist Doc

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

At 03:05 PM 11/25/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: >For many years some of us have argued strongly for "reputation" as a >core concept. Someone, perhaps even one of our own, even coined the >phrase "reputation capital." I recently posted how ground squirrels have rep cap. >Reputation is an easily unde

Re: Ridiculous Airline Security Story N+1 and N+2...

At 10:08 AM 11/25/01 -0800, Max Inux wrote: >MY only question in regards to this topic are these: How many members of this mailing list have been selected for search? How many of these are NOT registered republicans or democrats? You need to know more to answer your doubts. You need to know ba

Re: The Crypto Winter

At 09:19 PM 11/19/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >C-A-C-L's would let people die from thirst before interfering in a 'free >market'. Others would say screw the market and give that man a drink. No, a libertarian would say "screw anyone who'd initiate force against me to make me to do this" and then

Re: In praise of gold

At 07:03 PM 11/19/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 19 Nov 2001, at 17:40, Tim May wrote: > >> On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 05:03 PM, David Honig wrote: >> > >> > Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other >> > densely precious th

Re: The Crypto Winter

At 01:27 AM 11/20/01 +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>It's amazing how many people assert this, even though it's clearly >>wrong. A gold standard does NOT mean that the amount of currency in >>circulation equals the amount of gold in the vaults, it mea

RE: Monkeywrenching airport security

At 11:51 AM 11/18/01 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >> >gardeners have gotten hassled and delayed because of trace amounts of >> >ammonia-based fertilizers on their person and effects. If you plan to fly, > >Salts are different from traces of uncombusted nitrocellulose deposited on >any surface of a

Re: The Crypto Winter

At 03:15 PM 11/17/01 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: >on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:36:32PM -0800, alphabeta121 >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> what does C-A-C-L stand for? > >Crypto-Anarcho Capitalist Libertarian, per archives. Shorthand for a >common, if not prevailing, political viewpoint among acti

Re: "Rigorous and objective" (if at first...)

At 10:51 AM 11/17/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: > >One of my long-term programming heroes is Dan Ingalls, the guy who >invented BitBlt (for windowing systems) and did most of the actual >development of Smalltalk. He's still in the thick of things and is >contributing mightily. Walker of Autodesk/

RE: Monkeywrenching airport security

At 10:57 AM 11/17/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Airport chemical "sniffers" apparently look for the signature of nitrogen >compounds, not "explosives," per se. I've often wondered how many weekend >gardeners have gotten hassled and delayed because of trace amounts of >ammonia-based fertilizers

Re: Slashdot | Operation Acoustic Kitty

At 11:12 PM 11/7/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >I want whatever these guys are smoking... > >http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/07/2258212.shtml > Maybe the FBI will open a vetinerary clinic... in Scarfo's neighborhood. Maybe the FBI's undercover Housecleaning business staff will carry a bottle of

Re: Enemy at the Door

At 11:45 PM 11/7/01 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Go tell that to the Seattle/Portland/wherever wireless people. Or the >people in rural MN who are putting them up on silos and running a 10 mile >radius. Totally depends on your topography. And even with p-p they aren't >doing parabolics, more

Reese's Test for the Discrimination of Pigs From Cops (Re: Maine National Guard bars Green Party leader from flying

At 08:24 AM 11/4/01 -1000, Reese wrote: > >Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them >"useless pigs" would be begging for victimhood? > No, it would be testing the professionalism of the cop/pig in question. Any cop who reacts to being called "useless pig" is, in fact

Re: FINALLY! we can buy Staria

>> > I don't understand why one would pay $1000 for a Starium device when >> > comparable devices are available in the market place for less than half According to some news I encountered, Microsoft's latest 'consumer' OS fnord "XP" includes an audio/visual live 'chat' app. Ignoring for the mome

Sheeple earning sheeps' disease (Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds ))

At 10:11 AM 10/24/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >David Honig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >> >>Personally I'd prefer a non-colonial foreign policy that doesn't generate >>such antipathy. >> >>The message of the WTC is this: regular ole&#x

Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds

At 10:32 AM 10/24/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: >On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:14 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote: >> >>> Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film. >> >> What do you suppose happens to disks and other

Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds

At 09:31 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 04:23 AM 10/23/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: >>Irradiation equipment is being considered for mail processing, heard Yep, nothing like placing canisters of radiological materials everywhere. Mmmm, smell that? Cobalt 60. Smells like... vi

Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds

At 09:31 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >Unexposed photographic film could have a real problem with this, >depending on quite what they're using. Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film. Interesting consequences for the evolution of radiation-resistant strains, of course. Except in kansas

Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )

At 12:23 PM 10/24/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: >> >> Our society has, for all practical purposes, endless vulnerabilities. If >> as each vulnerability is exploited we plan on taking drastic steps to >> secure it from future exploitation, the costs will be staggering and the >> list of unsecured ite

Re: Slashdot | Holographic Sonar Cryptography

At 07:24 AM 10/24/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Holographic Sonar Cryptography Its no more 'cryptography' than the plans to use small number of quanta to communicate 'securely' between satellites, or using pressurized conduits for your cables. As 'secure' or 'untappable' fnord communications it i

Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)

At 10:24 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: >My father in-law makes some extra dough by converting modern power tools >(Delta table saws, belt sanders, and lathes) to run of a central drive >shaft so the Amish in our area can build furniture. Evidently it's "kosher" >to use a centrally loca

RE: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

At 10:01 PM 10/22/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >No no no... That's the US Army's "thing": > > "The Army: looking for a few good spores." > They changed that; now its "A Spore of One"

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

At 10:33 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be >> not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many >> Amerikans :-( > >Yep. It's go

Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

At 09:04 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Jon Beets wrote: >This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times >conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a >whole would be considering this... > >Jon Beets > "all the normalities of the social contract are

Re: Retribution not enough

At 06:28 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > >Better yet: energy can't be replicated. > True, but: Get yourself a breeder reactor, and you can sell the fuel you make as you sell the power you make.

Re: Additional Anthrax Deaths Suspected

At 06:10 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:52:52PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >> The vaccine has not been proven safe and effective, nor released for use >> in the general population. The military has to take it because they are >> ordered to. > >And sometimes

Re: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"

In the next episode, Osama bin Laden makes a cameo, on Jackster's side of course. At 04:31 PM 10/22/01 -0700, Xeni Jardin wrote: >Forwarding a post from the pho digital music list (end of this message). A >Newsforge item that also appeared about this today reads: > >"--Disney Channel cartoon

Re: Retribution not enough

At 11:09 PM 10/22/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: > >>"Sure, unions are good" is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim >>this? > >When they're not given special privileges, they are a useful tool for >market awareness and employee side organization. Sure.

Re: Retribution not enough

At 01:25 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Of course you're ignoring the fact that sometimes the reason that they >are "starving on their own retched little plots of land." is because of NAFTA >and huge multinational corporations importing so much US factory farmed corn >and other ag

Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

At 08:00 PM 10/22/01 -, Dr. Evil wrote: >> It's often the fucking Jews--Feinstein, Feingold, Lieberman, >> Ellison--who slavishly imitate the Nazis. How ironic to see Larry >> Ellison pushing the "Papers, please, macht schnell!" Orwellian nightmare. > >That is a good observation, and somethi

Re: And another one bites the dust, another one down, another one down

At 02:56 PM 10/21/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: >The media hype also tends to ignore the fact that anthrax is, in the >forms detected to date, largely treatable. Gross attempts at >containment (expensive) are less advisable than identification and >treatment of exposed individuals (less expens

Re: ENVELOPE STUFFING JOB

At 06:42 PM 10/21/01 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: >I'm tempted to scatter baker's yeast in a public place and powdered All the packaged yeast I've ever seen is *way* too coarse to inhale, and if you did snort yeast, it wouldn't make it to the depths of your lungs.

Re: VAABC - Fake IDs

At 10:17 PM 10/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >http://www.abc.state.va.us/Education/fakeid/fakeid.htm >-- "Offense of moral turpitude or a conviction of possessing, manufacturing, using or selling fake IDs will appear on your permanent criminal record. " Sounds like something you'd tell childre

Re: http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/20/anthrax/

At 01:44 PM 10/20/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 12:20 AM 10/20/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>"Northwest Airlines has banned sugar substitutes and non-dairy creamers >>from its airplanes to avoid anthrax scares sparked by the white, powdery >>substances." >> >>ROTFLOL! > > >Does that m

Re: Retribution not enough

At 01:17 PM 10/20/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >At 01:42 PM 10/20/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:35:53PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >> > The direction of all recent administrations has been to expand >> > globalization (i.e., interdependency) thus increasing econ

Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)

>on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 12:56:02PM -0700, Giovanna Imbesi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Last night my friend and I stopped at a Venice club/bar. At the door >> they were doing the normal ID check, but then took my driver's license >> and swiped it into a little Palm-like device...and all the inf

Re: http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/20/anthrax/

At 12:20 AM 10/20/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >"Northwest Airlines has banned sugar substitutes and non-dairy creamers >from its airplanes to avoid anthrax scares sparked by the white, powdery >substances." > >ROTFLOL! Yes but you can still bring your own onboard, though "its not recommen

Re: Your papers please

At 01:49 PM 10/19/01 -1000, cpaul wrote: >On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:49:28 +0800 "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sounds like we need to be dictating into cellphones, with remote >> recording! > >fishing through wreckage for a crumpled black box recorder seems pretty >old fashioned

Re: Threat Recognition Testing (fwd)

At 10:18 AM 10/5/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Very interesting and worth more reading. I would guess that even if it >moves beyond the lab it will be treated like the polygraph. I wouldn't >be surprised though if it is possible to train one's brain to move from >state to state at will. Defo

Re: Security Measures

At 06:35 PM 10/3/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 12:25 PM 09/29/2001 -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: >>The Corps of Engineers has restricted access to most lock and dam >>installations on the Mississippi (closed observation facilities and public >>parks around the sites). Their concern is that terror

cats good for allergy -followup references

In a thread "Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking..." I claimed (from memory) that cats can decrease allergies. I was unable to find the _Science_ ref but I found a few refs to the original research reported in The Lancet 357:752-56 (2001). Reproduced below. I don't make this stuff up. http:

Mad Elk disease reference up (Re: Emergency Diseases)

At 10:38 AM 9/27/01 -0700, John Young wrote: >The Department of Agriculture today issued an emergency >announcement about the spread of "chronic wasting disease" >(CWD) among cattle and deer in the American West: > > http://cryptome.org/doa092701.txt > >The disease can be fatal to humans. I res

Re: Photographing Dams

At 09:04 PM 10/2/01 -0400, The Amphibian Anti Defamation League wrote: >(That's a base canard on frogs, by the way. A few years back some >scientist boiled a frog slowly. The frog hopped out of the water as soon >as it got uncomfortably warm.) > Yes but its so useful its worth keeping around ---

FTC vs. First Amendment

So if someone goes to your site, the FTC can tell you how to communicate? Or only if your site's DNS entry is hamming-close to another? Or only if you're communicating unPC (e.g., erotica) content? And how does "bombarding them with ads" differ from spam, which has been 1st-amend. protected so

Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy

At 08:12 AM 10/2/01 -0700, Matt Beland wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Tuesday 02 October 2001 07:43 am, David Honig wrote: >> At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: >> >And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moo

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