Re: A secure government

2003-02-11 Thread telecon
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:25:25AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: > How > about a publishing bot that creates a current and accessible db of randomly > selected recent emails crossing the Internet alphabetized by sender name > and email address? My guess is that if the scoundrels supplying the data

Re: A secure government

2003-02-07 Thread W H Robinson
>>>The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in >>>the hands of >>>the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. >> >>Correct. >> >>>That it is a bad >>>thing. >> >>We don't think so. > > Mr Robinson: we understand the Bill of Rights applies to > some unsavory t

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:48 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: > Another point is that ``normal'' constables aren't able to action the > request; they have to be approved by the Chief Constable of a police > force, or the head of a relevant Government department. The full

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:03 AM 2/6/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: >On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: >> The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in >> the hands of >> the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. > >Correct. > >> That it is a bad >> thing

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Chris Ball
>> On 6 Feb 2003, Peter Fairbrother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Unfortuately, this is not true in the UK - the penalty for >> non-decryption of encrypted files on request by an LEA (even >> if you don't have the key!) is a jail term. > b) Plod would have to prove you have the key, a

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:44 PM, Peter Fairbrother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: > David Howe wrote: > a) it's not law yet, and may never become law. It's an Act of > Parliament, but it's two-and-a-bit years old and still isn't in > force. No signs of that happening either, except a f

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 12:03:07AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > I thought everyone knew that .mil and .gov sites are on the public side > of the Net. Most sensitive sites are forbidden to have a direct > connection to the public Net. True. What's more, when I wrote about this last (a few weeks or mon

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Peter Fairbrother
David Howe wrote: >> No, the various provisions of the Constitution, flawed though it is, >> make it clear that there is no "prove that you are not guilty" >> provision (unless you're a Jap, or the government wants your land, or >> someone says that you are disrespectful of colored people). > Unfo

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM, Pete Capelli > Then which one of these groups does the federal government fall > under, when they use crypto? In the feds opinion, of course. Or do > they believe that their use of crypto is the only wholesome one? Terrorism of course, using their own defi

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
> No, the various provisions of the Constitution, flawed though it is, > make it clear that there is no "prove that you are not guilty" > provision (unless you're a Jap, or the government wants your land, or > someone says that you are disrespectful of colored people). Unfortuately, this is not tru

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Pete Capelli
- Original Message - From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: A secure government > On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: > > > > > The view I ge

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't think so. People using it should sur