Re: A secure government

2003-02-11 Thread telecon
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:25:25AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: How about a publishing bot that creates a current and accessible db of randomly selected recent emails crossing the Internet alphabetized by sender name and email address? My guess is that if the scoundrels supplying the data

Re: A secure government

2003-02-11 Thread telecon
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:25:25AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: How about a publishing bot that creates a current and accessible db of randomly selected recent emails crossing the Internet alphabetized by sender name and email address? My guess is that if the scoundrels supplying the data

Re: A secure government

2003-02-07 Thread W H Robinson
The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't think so. Mr Robinson: we understand the Bill of Rights applies to some unsavory types too. Do you think

Re: A secure government

2003-02-07 Thread Dave Howe
David Howe wrote: at Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:48 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Another point is that ``normal'' constables aren't able to action the request; they have to be approved by the Chief Constable of a police force, or the head of a relevant Government

Re: A secure government

2003-02-07 Thread W H Robinson
The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't think so. Mr Robinson: we understand the Bill of Rights applies to some unsavory types too. Do you think

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't think so. People using it should

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Pete Capelli
- Original Message - From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: A secure government On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
No, the various provisions of the Constitution, flawed though it is, make it clear that there is no prove that you are not guilty provision (unless you're a Jap, or the government wants your land, or someone says that you are disrespectful of colored people). Unfortuately, this is not true in

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM, Pete Capelli Then which one of these groups does the federal government fall under, when they use crypto? In the feds opinion, of course. Or do they believe that their use of crypto is the only wholesome one? Terrorism of course, using their own

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:48 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Another point is that ``normal'' constables aren't able to action the request; they have to be approved by the Chief Constable of a police force, or the head of a relevant Government department. The full text

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Peter Fairbrother
David Howe wrote: No, the various provisions of the Constitution, flawed though it is, make it clear that there is no prove that you are not guilty provision (unless you're a Jap, or the government wants your land, or someone says that you are disrespectful of colored people). Unfortuately,

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 12:03:07AM -0800, Tim May wrote: I thought everyone knew that .mil and .gov sites are on the public side of the Net. Most sensitive sites are forbidden to have a direct connection to the public Net. True. What's more, when I wrote about this last (a few weeks or

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:44 PM, Peter Fairbrother [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: David Howe wrote: a) it's not law yet, and may never become law. It's an Act of Parliament, but it's two-and-a-bit years old and still isn't in force. No signs of that happening either, except a few

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Chris Ball
On 6 Feb 2003, Peter Fairbrother [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Unfortuately, this is not true in the UK - the penalty for non-decryption of encrypted files on request by an LEA (even if you don't have the key!) is a jail term. b) Plod would have to prove you have the key, and refused

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:03 AM 2/6/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't think so. People using it should

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
No, the various provisions of the Constitution, flawed though it is, make it clear that there is no prove that you are not guilty provision (unless you're a Jap, or the government wants your land, or someone says that you are disrespectful of colored people). Unfortuately, this is not true in

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM, Pete Capelli Then which one of these groups does the federal government fall under, when they use crypto? In the feds opinion, of course. Or do they believe that their use of crypto is the only wholesome one? Terrorism of course, using their own

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Pete Capelli
- Original Message - From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: A secure government On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Peter Fairbrother
David Howe wrote: No, the various provisions of the Constitution, flawed though it is, make it clear that there is no prove that you are not guilty provision (unless you're a Jap, or the government wants your land, or someone says that you are disrespectful of colored people). Unfortuately,

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 12:03:07AM -0800, Tim May wrote: I thought everyone knew that .mil and .gov sites are on the public side of the Net. Most sensitive sites are forbidden to have a direct connection to the public Net. True. What's more, when I wrote about this last (a few weeks or

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:44 PM, Peter Fairbrother [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: David Howe wrote: a) it's not law yet, and may never become law. It's an Act of Parliament, but it's two-and-a-bit years old and still isn't in force. No signs of that happening either, except a few

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:03 AM 2/6/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 01:23 PM, W H Robinson wrote: The view I get fed all the time is that crypto is, on the whole, in the hands of the terrorists, the anti-patriots, the paedophiles, et al. Correct. That it is a bad thing. We don't

Re: A secure government

2003-02-06 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:48 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Another point is that ``normal'' constables aren't able to action the request; they have to be approved by the Chief Constable of a police force, or the head of a relevant Government department. The full text

A secure government

2003-02-05 Thread W H Robinson
Removal of sensitive information, locking down of websites, securing otherwise accessible points of data. The .gov and .mil talk of cyber-homeland-defense-strategy blah doesn't make much sense, at least not from the admittedly media-derived POV I get. In amongst the proposals for screening