Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Bill Stewart
:-) At 08:48 PM 10/01/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:32:57

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Goldberg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:09:50PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:49:34PM +, Ian Goldberg wrote: Note that (if I'm reading it right) the sunset only applies to Title I (the Internet surveillance bits), and not, for example, to the hacking is terrorism bits in Title III (section 309). The sunset also applies Ian: I think

Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread John Young
There are numerous changes in PATRIOT from MATA and ATA, and it has over twice their length. It still uses the same obfuscation style of burying dozens of proposals as modifications of existing legislation, making it hard to understand what is being proposed without jigsaw puzzling the pieces

Re: CDR: Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date

2001-10-02 Thread James B. DiGriz
John Young wrote: USA. USA. Remember, do not say out loud, fuck that. Think abou it, then decide to self-suppress for a couple of years, then a couple more, then more after that. It's a long, long campaign the leaders warn, just like their predecessors said the main enemy is within.