Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-10 Thread James B. DiGriz
Tim May wrote: > On Wednesday, September 5, 2001, at 05:08 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > > >>This was discussed long ago on cypherpunks, in fact the cyphernomicon >>says: >> >>8.9.7. Possible legal steps to limit the use of remailers and >>anonymous systems >> - hold the re

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-10 Thread James B. DiGriz
James B. DiGriz wrote: > James B. DiGriz wrote: > >> >> Common carrier status for ISP's is not automatic, under the '96 >> Telecom Act and later additions. You have to file with the FCC and >> promise to remove material anybody complains about, etc. in exchange >> for indemnification from liab

Re: CDR: Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-10 Thread James B. DiGriz
James B. DiGriz wrote: > > Common carrier status for ISP's is not automatic, under the '96 Telecom > Act and later additions. You have to file with the FCC and promise to > remove material anybody complains about, etc. in exchange for > indemnification from liablility. > > I took a look at i

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 5, 2001, at 07:22 PM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: > >> There may be an item in the Cyphernomicon about this misconception, >> that >> common carrier status is something people apply for. It used to be >> claimed by some (don't here it as m

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: > There may be an item in the Cyphernomicon about this misconception, that > common carrier status is something people apply for. It used to be > claimed by some (don't here it as much anymore) than even bookstores > could be treated as common carriers "so long

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread georgemw
On 5 Sep 2001, at 17:26, Declan McCullagh wrote: > [I'm not saying I believe these arguments, of course.] > Since a remailer, on the other hand does not exercise any independent > editorial judgment about the content of the work, the burden should > properly be on you to argue that a law rest

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread A. Melon
Tim May writes: > I often talk about "re-commenters" (hyphen added to emphasize the > "commenter" part). If I get mail, or letters, or e-mail, and then pass > it along to my friends or others, WHERE IN THE FIRST does it say I need > permission from government? You're absolutely right, no law c

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: > There may be an item in the Cyphernomicon about this misconception, that > common carrier status is something people apply for. It used to be > claimed by some (don't here it as much anymore) than even bookstores > could be treated as common carriers "so long

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 5, 2001, at 06:06 PM, A. Melon wrote: > Tim May writes: >> I often talk about "re-commenters" (hyphen added to emphasize the >> "commenter" part). If I get mail, or letters, or e-mail, and then pass >> it along to my friends or others, WHERE IN THE FIRST does it say I need

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 5, 2001, at 05:08 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > > This was discussed long ago on cypherpunks, in fact the cyphernomicon > says: > > 8.9.7. Possible legal steps to limit the use of remailers and > anonymous systems >- hold the remailer liable for con

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:26:43PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > [I'm not saying I believe these arguments, of course.] > > At 05:17 PM 9/4/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >And let me play Devil's Advocate to this DA position: > > > >Not to sound overly Choatian, but there is nothing in the First A

Re: Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
[I'm not saying I believe these arguments, of course.] At 05:17 PM 9/4/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: >And let me play Devil's Advocate to this DA position: > >Not to sound overly Choatian, but there is nothing in the First Amendment >which says anything about government getting to decide when "enough

Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers

2001-09-04 Thread Tim May
be shut down. This was the motivation for much of the Kremvax early remailing service, which Julf later took over the code for. Sexual abuse, incest, rape, shame, etc., drove these early systems. It may be time to dust off these services as "covers." Anyone now running a remailer could consider explicity announcing their religious or psychiatric motivations. Melon traffickers --> Soul traffickers. Happy Fun Court will not be amused that such "tricks" are being used to head off an outlawing of anonymity tools. Fuck 'em. --Tim May