On 20 Nov 2001, at 22:54, Greg Broiles wrote:
> Very early in its lifetime, the Autonomous Zones/Mojo Nation people said
> that maybe Mojo would someday be exchangable with real cash, though the
> assumption was that during the early stages of software development, people
> were playing with
On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 07:05 PM, Lucky Green wrote:
> Greg wrote:
>> That's very warm and fuzzy and hippy-like, but if these
>> tokens are handed
>> out for free, then what, exactly, is their value?
>>
>> I think the Extropians did something like that, which ended
>> in some sort of
>>
Greg wrote:
> That's very warm and fuzzy and hippy-like, but if these
> tokens are handed
> out for free, then what, exactly, is their value?
>
> I think the Extropians did something like that, which ended
> in some sort of
> fiasco which some cypherpunks were involved in, though I
> don't k
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On 20 Nov 2001, at 17:04, Anonymous wrote:
> Third, this leaves the use of digital cash to purchase
> information goods and services online. The problem is, few
> companies have succeeded so far in selling information
> goods online
As you mention below, pornography is the big exception.
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 04:22:36PM -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> US postal regs end at the US border. The rest of the world is full of mail
> drops, accommodation addresses and mail forwarding services.
Or, even inside the U.S., you could run an anon mail-receiving locker
(insert $20 bill for t
Someone wrote:
> Unfortunately U.S. postal regulations
> require identification when you rent a
> mail box, public or private
>
> It won't do much good to chain them if
> each one in the chain has your ID on file.
> Granted you can use fake ID but that would
> be breaking the law, raising the
David Molnar wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Anonymous wrote:
>
> > than using your Visa card because only the seller learns your address
> > rather than a centralized agency that knows all of your purchases.
> > But it's hardly worth it.
>
> A friend of mine was considering a business plan for phys
At 01:00 AM 11/21/2001 -0500, dmolnar wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, dmolnar wrote:
>
>
> > > Isn't this a description of Hawala?
> >
> > Maybe. I regret I'm not familiar with Hawala. I'll go google it.
>
>Gee, it's even in the cypherpunks archives. Sorry, everyone.
>
>Yes, as described sure sounds
At 05:04 PM 11/20/2001 -0700, Anonymous wrote:
>Some thoughts on digital cash.
>
>First, using anonymous cash to purchase physical goods online means giving
>up much of the benefit from the anonymity. If you have to give a delivery
>address, they obviously know who you are. It's still slightly b
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, dmolnar wrote:
> > Isn't this a description of Hawala?
>
> Maybe. I regret I'm not familiar with Hawala. I'll go google it.
Gee, it's even in the cypherpunks archives. Sorry, everyone.
Yes, as described sure sounds similar. The point of doing it over PayPal
would just be
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:57:23AM -, Anonymous wrote:
> Supposing you and others were willing to pay Nomen a modest sum for this
> service, how could you do so using Paypal or Amazon, and allow him to
> retain his anonymity?
Ah, but I never said I'd pay for it -- I said it might be a better
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:45:57PM -0500, dmolnar wrote:
> BBSes seem special in that the resources available are so *drastically*
> limited. A BBS with one phone line could serve one user at a time. When
> one person is on, nobody else has a shot. So a BBS without upload/download
> ratios runs th
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Isn't this a description of Hawala?
Maybe. I regret I'm not familiar with Hawala. I'll go google it.
-David
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Anonymous wrote:
> than using your Visa card because only the seller learns your address
> rather than a centralized agency that knows all of your purchases.
> But it's hardly worth it.
A friend of mine was considering a business plan for physical remailer+
"infomediary" for
Isn't this a description of Hawala?
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, dmolnar wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2001, Anonymous wrote:
>
> > Supposing you and others were willing to pay Nomen a modest sum for this
> > service, how could you do so using Paypal or Amazon, and allow him to
> > retain his anonymity?
>
> On
On 21 Nov 2001, Anonymous wrote:
> Supposing you and others were willing to pay Nomen a modest sum for this
> service, how could you do so using Paypal or Amazon, and allow him to
> retain his anonymity?
On the off chance that this isn't rhetorical, because at least one way of
doing this seems s
Declan McCullagh writes:
> I don't mean to take issue with much of what Anonymous writes, but
> some of the examples mentioned can be taken care of adequately by
> existing payment systems.
>
> Using Amazon's payment system (they have two types, voluntary and
> pay-for-content), a webmaster can c
I don't mean to take issue with much of what Anonymous writes, but
some of the examples mentioned can be taken care of adequately by
existing payment systems.
Using Amazon's payment system (they have two types, voluntary and
pay-for-content), a webmaster can charge as low as $1, I believe, for
Some thoughts on digital cash.
First, using anonymous cash to purchase physical goods online means giving
up much of the benefit from the anonymity. If you have to give a delivery
address, they obviously know who you are. It's still slightly better
than using your Visa card because only the sel
At 6:00 PM -0500 11/20/01, dmolnar wrote:
>Does anyone happen to know of real-world current examples like this, in
>which some aggregator buys and sells a commodity on an exchange, then
>turns around and offers it at a flat rate to end users?
I think my electric company does this each month with
On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Tim May wrote:
> Any system involving units of Mojo, or understanding of auction models,
> etc. is hampered. And any system that has only a tiny fraction of what
> Napster had at its peak is hit with the "So what?" factor. And the Fax
> Effect kicks in--few users, not as many
On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 10:44 AM, dmolnar wrote:
> Hey,
>
> The recent comments on Mojo Nation prompted me to look at their site
> again. I don't see much guidance on how to set prices for network
> services. There's a mention someplace that business customers will build
> pricing scheme
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