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James A. Donald:
> > But Khatami was knackered shortly after being elected, so
> > any aid would be aiding the terrorists. We saw how well
> > that worked in Fallujah and Sadr city.
> > >June 2001: Khatami re-elected
> > A few months or weeks thereafter, Khatami knackered.
Will Mor
James A. Donald wrote:
But Khatami was knackered shortly after being elected, so any
aid would be aiding the terrorists. We saw how well that
worked in Fallujah and Sadr city.
June 2001: Khatami re-elected
A few months or weeks thereafter, Khatami knackered.
Hmm.
Either you
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James A. Donald wrote:
> > How could the US have given him support, short of violent
> > means, such as bombing Tehran, which he was reluctant to
> > accept?
Will Morton
> Money. Push it through your favourite UN department.
> Schools and hospitals == goodwill.
But Khatami was
James A. Donald wrote:
How could the US have given him support, short of violent
means, such as bombing Tehran, which he was reluctant to
accept?
Money. Push it through your favourite UN department. Schools and
hospitals == goodwill.
You have this back to front. Khatami was marginalize
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Tyler Durden
> > > The US was in Vietnam trying to fight their way up. So it
> > > would have been pretty evident to anyone watching that
> > > the US was trying to undermine the PRC.
James A. Donald:
> > You live in a world of delusion. Your dates are all wrong,
> > your events are all
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On 21 Oct 2004 at 18:33, Will Morton wrote:
> The US missed a real trick when Khatami got into power in
> 1997; he had a huge swell of popular support behind him, and
> with significant US backing he could probably have
> outmaneuvered the conservatives and made some real changes.
> A tr
Uh...wha?
I said...
> The US was in Vietnam trying to fight their way up. So it
> would have been pretty evident to anyone watching that the US
> was trying to undermine the PRC.
And you said...
You live in a world of delusion. Your dates are all wrong,
your events are all fiction.
So there was no
Tyler Durden wrote:
But of course, we were still in the middle of McCarthy-ism, so way too
ideologically blind to see the obvious. As a result we continued to
mindlessly pursue ideology rather than practicality and so ended
really making things worse in SE Asia, in a place where Marxism was
rea
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On 21 Oct 2004 at 10:28, Tyler Durden wrote:
> No. You've got to do more reading. Sihoanouk was in power and
> loosely held a coalition together. In part because he
> believed it and in part because it was necessary to hold this
> coalition together, Sihoanouk did not spout particularly
> pr
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On 21 Oct 2004 at 12:19, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Basically the way I see it. I've felt for a long time that
> the US (even while pursuing it's questionable goals) should
> have jumped all over the chance to buddy-up with China after
> the Sino-Soviet split, and knowing Mao's practicality I'd b
Will Morton wrote...
In addition, the whole of Indochina was (and is) a clusterfuck of
rivalries and feuds going back centuries. The (relatively) sudden
appearance of a bunch of new regimes, all with revolutionary mindsets
through which to apply their old vendettas, probably made the bloodsh
Tyler Durden wrote:
What if the US had not followed such an aggressive policy towards the
PRC? Chinese history gives us a clear indication: They would never
have backed the Khmer Rouge. (Sihoanouk regularly traveled to China
before and after that time, BTW, and was moderately friendly with Jong
As I said, an Islamic regime is objectionable if it tolerates
terror against non islamic minorities, thus creating, perhaps
unintentionally, an environment that facilitates terror against
external infidels - that is to say, terror against me and
people like me.
You say a lot of wacky stuff, so it s
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James A. Donald:
> > The US government should expose and condemn these
> > objectionable practices, subvert moderately objectionable
> > regimes, and annihilate more objectionable regimes. The
> > pentagon should deprive moderately objectionable regimes of
> > economic resources, by ste
Well, when push comes to shove I have to admit Mr Donald doesn't mince
words. Guess that's what Cypherpunks is for!
However...
The US government should expose and condemn these objectionable
practices, subvert moderately objectionable regimes, and
annihilate more objectionable regimes. The penta
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