Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-19 Thread John Young
Julian Assange affianted: >It's wise understand someone's agenda based on their past actions >and attempts at influence and not the affability of their face. When I first got within 20 trace aromas of the lushness of Baker's double cultivated what-grows-wild-elsewhere above his peepers, my bub

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread keyser-soze
At 03:48 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >"FBI requires ISPs to permit easy surveillance; EFF founder agrees" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02671.html >"Stu Baker replies to Politech post on ISPs and EFF founder" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02672.html >From: "Bak

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Declan McCullagh
Huh? I've known Stu for years. I've been on panels with him (http://www.mccullagh.org/image/950-17/aba-netspionage-broadcast.html) and have debated him (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02518.html). I'm hardly being "generous" to say that even evil trial balloons are ueful to know about. -Declan On

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Tabla bin Rasa
At 12:54 AM 10/19/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:43:22PM -0700, Greg Broiles wrote: >> If the FBI really is preparing for a domestic surveillance initiative, >> hearing about that months in advance is a lot more helpful than yet another >> incompatible peer-to-peer c

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:43:22PM -0700, Greg Broiles wrote: > If the FBI really is preparing for a domestic surveillance initiative, > hearing about that months in advance is a lot more helpful than yet another > incompatible peer-to-peer content distribution system. Greg makes an excellent p

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Greg Broiles
At 10:12 AM 10/19/2001 +1000, Julian Assange wrote: > > He's a gun-for-hire, not a doctrinaire blinders-on true believer for > either > > the surveillance enthusiasts or privacy freaks. > >Oh, come off it. > >Stu is a well known NSA zealot. Have you actually spoken with him, or are you just work

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Julian Assange
> He's a gun-for-hire, not a doctrinaire blinders-on true believer for either > the surveillance enthusiasts or privacy freaks. Oh, come off it. Stu is a well known NSA zealot. The only reason there's a bridge between Kapor and Baker is due to the cavernous ravine that lays between them. Kapor

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread keyser-soze
>At 03:48 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>"FBI requires ISPs to permit easy surveillance; EFF founder agrees" >http://www.politechbot.com/p-02671.html > >>"Stu Baker replies to Politech post on ISPs and EFF founder" >http://www.politechbot.com/p-02672.html > >>Fr

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Greg Broiles
At 05:37 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I haven't read the CALEA text in a long time, but I think the answer may >be yes and no. Stu is a very smart guy, one of the experts on this section >of the law, but he could conceivably be overstating the case for his own >purposes. > >-D

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Declan McCullagh
I haven't read the CALEA text in a long time, but I think the answer may be yes and no. Stu is a very smart guy, one of the experts on this section of the law, but he could conceivably be overstating the case for his own purposes. -Declan At 05:32 PM 10/18/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread mikecabot
I've searched for other references to this and haven't found any... I work at a very large ISP and because of my job function, I would need to (a) know about such an order; (b) supervise its implementation; and (c) actively monitor compliance with it. And I can tell you that we've received no