Re: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-04-01 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:36 AM 3/27/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 08:41 AM, John Kelsey wrote: ... However, it seems to me it would be very hard for this news not to leak out. If, say, a nuke or serious bioterror weapon had been found in a major city, a lot of agencies would have had kno

Re: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-04-01 Thread Neil Johnson
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 08:50 pm, Neil Johnson wrote: > When I went to work for the University I graduated from. I discovered all > sorts of interesting things and even more when my sister enrolled. > . . . Duh ! I forgot the point was that, if things are properly handled, it's not that hard to

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-29 Thread John Kelsey
At 02:06 AM 3/28/03 -0800, Sarad AV wrote: hi, That cannot possibly even happen-by mistake.Al-jazeera is qatar based.They might hit a chinese embassy but not AL-Jazeera. I believe we hit the Al Jazeera office in Afghanistan pretty early in our bombing campaign there. (I read an archived BBC stor

Re: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-03-28 Thread Ken Brown
John Kelsey wrote: > I wasn't thinking of Al Qaida. There are a *lot* of people who might like > to have a last-ditch deterrent against a US invasion or other action. I can think of a few workable deterrents against US invasion: - ICBMS - an army with a reputation of fighting nastily when att

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-28 Thread Sarad AV
hi, That cannot possibly even happen-by mistake.Al-jazeera is qatar based.They might hit a chinese embassy but not AL-Jazeera. 1500 turkish troops moved into north iraq-US cannot immediately do any thing about it since flying over Turkish air space is important for them. Sarath. (Before Al Jaze

Re: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-03-27 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 08:41 AM, John Kelsey wrote: At 08:28 AM 3/26/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 06:12 PM 3/25/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: ... >Maybe the FBI caught them and disarmed the >bombs before they went off. And they didn't claim any credit? This doesn't jibe with t

RE: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-03-27 Thread John Kelsey
At 08:28 AM 3/26/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 06:12 PM 3/25/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: ... >Maybe the FBI caught them and disarmed the >bombs before they went off. And they didn't claim any credit? This doesn't jibe with the puffery one observes. Well, there's puffery, and then there'

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:09 PM 3/26/03 -0600, Neil Johnson wrote: >In a news conference on Tuesday, some general claimed they had located and >"taken out" six sites where GPS jammers were being used. > >He claimed one site had been taken out with a GPS guided weapon. > >"Kind of Ironic" I beleive he said. Well, the

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Ken Brown
Bill Stewart wrote: > > At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: > >The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank > > I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym > and not Britain's Royal Air Force? :-) > (Besides, I thought assassinations were usu

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-26 Thread Sarad AV
hi, They are not working very well or US since the iraqi's are using gps jammers and US are already in a row with russians claiming that they sold it to iraq. Regards Sarath. --- Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:30 AM, Ken Brown > wrote: > > > Declan McCul

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym and not Britain's Royal Air Force? :-) (Besides, I thought assassinations were usually an SAS (Special Air Service, not

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Bill Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: >>The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank > >I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym and not Britain's >Royal Air Force? :-) Red Army Faction, a German terr

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 09:22 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 04:14 PM 03/26/2003 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: The RAF used an EFP in 1989 to assassinate the chairman of Deutsche Bank I assume that's some Italian or German group's acronym and not Britain's Royal Air Force? :-) (Besides, I thoug

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Steve Schear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I seem to recall that with sufficient knowledge and commonly available >detonators shaped explosive charges can be configured to hurl heavy >explosive payloads, much like a mortar, with fair accuracy, great distance >or very high velocity. I can't seem to

RE: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread John Kelsey
At 04:37 AM 3/25/03 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: ... If any terrorists had nukes, why have they not used them so far? Suppose you only have one, it was really hard to get, and you're not sure how much of your US network has been turned, or at least placed under heavy surveilance? Maybe you wait unt

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:30 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying bomb or delivery system for something quite noxious. These planes can be rented by the hour at

RE: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Sarad AV
hi, for every bomb that explodes in U.S,civil liberties will keep comming down.This is not the case in other countries were more bombs are hurled or exploded daily.Though they are less concerned about their citizens,they are concerned of their civil liberties(atleast to some extent). Regards Sara

RE: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:37 AM 03/25/2003 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: If any terrorists had nukes, why have they not used them so far? Because they've been able to achieve "Shock and Awe" without them and keep most of the rabble in line by threatening to blow up other nuclear-armed terrorists in mutually assured destru

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Ken Brown
Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which > >can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying bomb or delivery system > >for something quite noxious. These planes can be rented by the hour at > >hundreds of small to medium sized airports around

RE: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Lucky Green wrote: > If any terrorists had nukes, why have they not used them so far? I don't think they have nukes. Not yet. But now they're seeing plenty of reasons to get them. We're lucky they're poor, low-tech people in general.

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 24 Mar 2003 at 22:05, Declan McCullagh wrote: > I fear that's right. We have substantially increased our > number of enemies capable of causing us serious damage (and > have the requiste means, motive, and opportunity) Observe the marked decline in terrorist acts. Recollect that 9/11 wa

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:03 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Someone else pointed out that this has been discussed in a novel (wasn't aware). I hardly mean to say my prediction is unique. It's just one response to the question that the counterterrorism folks must ask themselves all the time: How to deliver

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: > The simplest autopilots just keep the wings level. Almost equally common > are ones that can follow a radio location signal (VHF Onmi-Range (VOR) > usually). Altitude hold is less common, as are autopilots that can follow > an Instrum

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Anonymous
Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which > can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying bomb or delivery system > for something quite noxious. These planes can be rented by the hour at > hundreds of small to medium size

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Tim May
On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 08:11 PM, Bill O'Hanlon wrote: Both of these ideas get used in Martin Caidin's book "Deathmate"... (If you're old enough, you might remember the "Six Million Dollar Man" TV series. Caidin was the author of the book that was used for that series.) It's a bit old, but

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Bill O'Hanlon
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:05:24PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > I'm still > predicting radio-controlled helicopters (or RC planes, which could carry > a far greater load). > > Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which > can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a fly

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Tim May
On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 07:28 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: At 7:05 PM -0800 3/24/03, Declan McCullagh wrote: Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying bomb or delivery system for something quite noxious. These planes can b

RE: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Lucky Green
Eugen wrote: > This is dire lunacy. Currently US is perceived as an agressor > by the majority of the world, including the so-called ally > U.K. which has lent more than just its name. You will see an > unprecedented surge in terrorism in the heart of homeland > soon after this campaign is over

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Bill Frantz
At 7:05 PM -0800 3/24/03, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Or perhaps we'll see someone take a GPS-controlled small plane, which >can carry 1,000 lbs, and turn it into a flying bomb or delivery system >for something quite noxious. These planes can be rented by the hour at >hundreds of small to medium sized

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:41:09PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > This is dire lunacy. Currently US is perceived as an agressor by the > majority of the world, including the so-called ally U.K. which has lent > more than just its name. You will see an unprecedented surge in terrorism > in the heart of

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > If the US trys to avoid civilian casualties, this is not out of > fear and weakness. Indeed, when we observe the recent past, it > seems that it is failure to commit sufficient murder that > provokes these attacks. The US does not suffer bad Th

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread Tyler Durden
James Donald wrote... "perhaps the most effectual thing the US could do to prevent future random terror attacks is to round up one hundred million. innocents and slaughter the lot. Everyone loved the commies for doing that, so if the US wants to be loved, perhaps it needs to do the same." What t

Re: Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- Harmon Seaver: > > > Not inside the cities they can't, not without tons of > > > collateral damage, which will crucify Dubbya and Blair. James A. Donald: > > No one (except the US military which hopes to rule an > > intact Iraq) least of all the protestors, care how many > > Iraqis get kill

Things are looking better all the time

2003-03-23 Thread Harmon Seaver
Hey, this war is looking better all the time. We got our first fragging already, and the US troops are finding themselves no real match for the Iraqis. I just heard that there's at least 1 million well armed Ba'ath party irregulars, plus unknown numbers of "armed Iraqi tribes", besides the 400,0