Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-18 Thread drs
On n Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 11:02 Tim May wrote: >On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 10:39 AM, Peter Fairbrother wrote: >> Oh dear. QM does rule out internal states. I didn't think I would >> have to explain why I capitalised "Bell", but perhaps it was a bit >> too subtle. Google "Bell" and

Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-16 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 10:39 AM, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > > Oh dear. QM does rule out internal states. > > I didn't think I would have to explain why I capitalised "Bell", but > perhaps > it was a bit too subtle. Google "Bell" and "inequalities", and go from > there. I disagree. Bell's

Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-16 Thread Peter Fairbrother
> Major Variola (ret) wrote: > At 03:27 PM 7/15/02 +0100, Peter Fairbrother wrote: >>> Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote: >> >>> And while QM can't help you with a particular atom, it also doesn't > say >>> that its impossible that knowledge of internal states of the atom >>> wouldn't help you predic

Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-15 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > The uncertainty principle says that there is a limit on the information > about position and change in position that you can collect. It does not > rule out internal states. Yes it does, it says that any time you measure a system it WILL be in

Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:27 PM 7/15/02 +0100, Peter Fairbrother wrote: >> Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote: > >> And while QM can't help you with a particular atom, it also doesn't say >> that its impossible that knowledge of internal states of the atom >> wouldn't help you predict its fragmentation. > >Yes it does. > >

Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Fairbrother
> Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote: > At 03:21 PM 7/14/02 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >> Eric Cordian wrote: >>> Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum > mechanics >>> works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. >> >> Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive is

Re: CDR: Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-14 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote: > And while QM can't help you with a particular atom, it also doesn't say > that its impossible that knowledge of internal states of the atom > wouldn't help you predict its fragmentation. Other rules do; Uncertaintly Principle, 2nd Law for sta

Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)

2002-07-14 Thread Optimizzin Al-gorithym
At 03:21 PM 7/14/02 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >Eric Cordian wrote: >> Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum mechanics >> works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. > >Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive isotope will decay, if you please. You mean "t

Re: Which universe are we in?

2002-07-14 Thread Ben Laurie
Eric Cordian wrote: > Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum mechanics > works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive isotope will decay, if you please. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html h

Re: Which universe are we in?

2002-07-09 Thread Eric Cordian
Time postulates: > No, I was arguing that while the future may be multi-worlded, everything > we know about science (evidence, archaeology, measurements, ...) points > to a _single_ past. The laws of physics, including the laws of quantum mechanics, are symmetric with respect to the arrow of t

Re: Which universe are we in?

2002-07-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 08:39 PM, Tim May wrote: > No, I was arguing that while the future may be multi-worlded, > everything we know about science (evidence, archaeology, > measurements, ...) points to a _single_ past. > > Sorry about this misdirection to the CP list. It was meant to go t

Re: Which universe are we in?

2002-07-08 Thread Tim May
On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 07:43 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Dear Tim, > > Are you tacitly assuming some kind of communication between > observers > when you make the claim of a "convergence"? Adsent said communications, > could we show that the convergence would still obtain? Have you