Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, AARG!Anonymous wrote: > Eric Murray writes: > > TCPA (when it isn't turned off) WILL restrict the software that you > > can run. Software that has an invalid or missing signature won't be > > able to access "sensitive data"[1]. Meaning that unapproved software > > won't wor

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Eric Murray writes: > TCPA (when it isn't turned off) WILL restrict the software that you > can run. Software that has an invalid or missing signature won't be > able to access "sensitive data"[1]. Meaning that unapproved software > won't work. > > [1] TCPAmain_20v1_1a.pdf, section 2.2 We need

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread David Wagner
James A. Donald wrote: >According to Microsoft, the end user can turn the palladium >hardware off, and the computer will still boot. As long as that >is true, it is an end user option and no one can object. Your point is taken. That said, even if you could turn off TCPA & Palladium and run so

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2002-08-01, AARG!Anonymous uttered to [EMAIL PROTECTED],...: >It does this by taking hashes of the software before transferring >control to it, and storing those hashes in its internal secure >registers. So, is there some sort of guarantee that the transfer of control won't be stopped by a ch

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Peter Trei writes: > I'm going to respond to AARGH!, our new Sternlight, by asking two questions. > > 1. Why can't I control what signing keys the Fritz chip trusts? > > If the point of TCPA is make it so *I* can trust that *my* computer > to run the software *I* have approved, and refuse to ru

Re: document popularity estimation / amortizable hashcash (Re: Hollywood Hackers)

2002-08-01 Thread Adam Back
This paper is quite interesting and proposes another method of metering content [1]: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/naor98secure.html It's proposed in the context of web site traffic metering to determine site traffic rates (for advertising payment or other applications). It relies on a tru

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:45:35PM -0700, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > Peter Trei writes: > > AARG!, our anonymous Pangloss, is strictly correct - Wagner should have > > said "could" rather than "would". > > So TCPA and Palladium "could" restrict which software you could run. TCPA (when it isn't tur

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread R. Hirschfeld
> From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:51:24 -0700 > On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:35, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > > both Palladium and TCPA deny that they are designed to restrict > > what applications you run. The TPM FAQ at > > http://www.trustedcomputing.org/docs/TPM

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread Eric Murray
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 02:33:43PM -0700, James A. Donald wrote: > According to Microsoft, the end user can turn the palladium > hardware off, and the computer will still boot. As long as that > is true, it is an end user option and no one can object. > > But this is not what the content prov

Re: Freedom of association denied in Ventura Cty

2002-08-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 12:46 PM -0700 on 8/1/02, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Dress Code Keeps 9 Hells Angels Out of Fair in Ventura > Security: The new policy is enforced after biker club members refuse to > remove vests marked with group's insignia. Their leader says he will > sue. What ever happened to "One on

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 31 Jul 2002 at 23:45, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > So TCPA and Palladium "could" restrict which software you could > run. They aren't designed to do so, but the design could be > changed and restrictions added. Their design, and the institutions and software to be designed around them, i

Re: Mandatory hardware

2002-08-01 Thread Michael Motyka
"Major Variola \(ret\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > TV makers may face mandate on digital receivers > Wed Jul 31, 9:17 AM ET > > In an effort to jump-start the languid rollout of digital TV, federal > regulators > next week are expected to require all new TV sets to include digital > receivers b

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread Trei, Peter
I'm going to respond to AARGH!, our new Sternlight, by asking two questions. 1. Why can't I control what signing keys the Fritz chip trusts? If the point of TCPA is make it so *I* can trust that *my* computer to run the software *I* have approved, and refuse to run something which a virus or

thoughtcrime, art, mandatory youth education camps, AP, kirkland

2002-08-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Court rules student's artwork not a threat to police Published 9:35 a.m. PDT Thursday, August 1, 2002 CHICO, Calif. (AP) - A Pleasant Valley High School student's art class painting that showed him shooting a police officer who had cited him for possessing marijuana did not c

Re: Mandatory hardware

2002-08-01 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:52 AM 8/1/2002 -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >TV makers may face mandate on digital receivers >Wed Jul 31, 9:17 AM ET > >In an effort to jump-start the languid rollout of digital TV, federal >regulators >next week are expected to require all new TV sets to include digital >receivers by 2

Freedom of association denied in Ventura Cty

2002-08-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
(Note that this *is* political as the Fairgrounds are State property) Dress Code Keeps 9 Hells Angels Out of Fair in Ventura Security: The new policy is enforced after biker club members refuse to remove vests marked with group's insignia. Their leader says he will sue. By

Mandatory hardware

2002-08-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
TV makers may face mandate on digital receivers Wed Jul 31, 9:17 AM ET In an effort to jump-start the languid rollout of digital TV, federal regulators next week are expected to require all new TV sets to include digital receivers by 2006, say people familiar with the matter. TV makers say the m

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Peter Trei writes: > AARG!, our anonymous Pangloss, is strictly correct - Wagner should have > said "could" rather than "would". So TCPA and Palladium "could" restrict which software you could run. They aren't designed to do so, but the design could be changed and restrictions added. But you cou

Re: Hollywood Hackers

2002-08-01 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, A.Melon wrote: > and on the left hand side of the page it says: > > At the moment, we do not support non-Javascript browsers. > > If they are concerned about security, Shouldn't they be avoiding > javascript? Shapiro has a strange love for Javascript. I don't know what

Re: Pizza with a credit card

2002-08-01 Thread Ken Brown
Michael Motyka wrote: > Quite clearly cash has got to go! I'm not sure how tough this would be > to sneak past the slumbering electorate. Pretty tough I expect. But the > usage level is certainly going down while the percentage of electronic > transactions is skyrocketing. We've even had concress

Re: Pizza with a credit card

2002-08-01 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Michael Motyka wrote: > Quite clearly cash has got to go! I'm not sure how tough this would be > to sneak past the slumbering electorate. Pretty tough I expect. But the > usage level is certainly going down while the percentage of electronic > transactions is skyrocketing. We

RE: White House Sounds Call For New Internet Standards

2002-08-01 Thread Lucky Green
Steve wrote: > The Bush administration's cyber security czar, Richard > Clarke, said it might be time to replace the "creaky, cranky" > 20-year-old protocols that drive the Internet with standards > better able to accommodate a flood of new wireless devices. > Wireless devices, it is feared, m

RE: White House Sounds Call For New Internet Standards

2002-08-01 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Lucky Green wrote: > > How about IPv6 with IPSEC? > > --Lucky > Isn't that a creaky, cranky 10-year-old protocol? DCF

RE: White House Sounds Call For New Internet Standards

2002-08-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Lucky Green wrote: > > Clarke, said it might be time to replace the "creaky, cranky" > > 20-year-old protocols that drive the Internet with standards > > better able to accommodate a flood of new wireless devices. > > Wireless devices, it is feared, may introduce large secu

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-01 Thread AARG! Anonymous
James Donald writes: > TCPA and Palladium give someone else super root privileges on my > machine, and TAKE THOSE PRIVILEGES AWAY FROM ME. All claims that > they will not do this are not claims that they will not do this, > but are merely claims that the possessor of super root privilege > on my

Re: A Q&A exchange between me and Eugene Volokh

2002-08-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:59 AM -0700 on 7/31/02, Steve Schear wrote: > If I have nothing to hide, nobody wants to know. > > steve Ding! I think we have a winner, boys and girls... Steve Schear, welcome to my .sig file... :-). Cheers, RAH viz, -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwritin