Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 2 Aug 2002 at 0:36, David Wagner wrote: > For instance, suppose that, thanks to TCPA/Palladium, Microsoft > could design Office 2005 so that it is impossible for StarOffice > and other clones to read files created in Office 2005. Would > some users object? In an anarchic society, o

Re: modified consoles as disposable nodes

2002-08-02 Thread Optimizzin Al-gorithym
At 12:19 PM 8/2/02 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: >While useful, they note that the other platforms lack at least one of the >Dreamcast's virtues. "It's innocuous. It looks like a toy," said Davis. >"If you bring it into a company, they're going to go, 'Wow, look at the >toy!'" Damn, first they came

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread rsedc
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:35:32PM -0700, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > Declan McCullagh writes at > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-946890.html: > >"The world is moving toward closed digital rights management systems >where you may need approval to run programs," says David Wagner, >an ass

Re: Freedom of association denied in Ventura Cty

2002-08-02 Thread Steve Furlong
On Thursday 01 August 2002 15:46, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Dress Code Keeps 9 Hells Angels Out of Fair in Ventura > Security: The new policy is enforced after biker club members refuse > to remove vests marked with group's insignia. Their leader says he > will sue. Is it just me, or does "I'

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Jay Sulzberger wrote: > To deal with the tiny bit of truth in the claims of AARG! that some > capabilities of DRM might be beneficial to me: Yes, of coures, there are > few things that have zero benefits. But this is hardly relevant. A more > relevant question here is: Can w

modified consoles as disposable nodes

2002-08-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
Looks useful for P2P infrastructure. http://online.securityfocus.com/news/558 When Dreamcasts Attack White hat hackers use game consoles, handheld PCs to crack networks from the inside out. By Kevin Poulsen, Jul 31 2002 5:26PM LAS VEGAS--Cyberpunks will be toting cheap game consoles on their

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 2 Aug 2002 at 3:31, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > More generally, as long as we have computers which allow data to > be addressed as code and vice versa, the ability to control use > of data will necessarily entail ability to control use of code. > So, either we will get systems where circumven

TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread James A. Donald
-- In an anarchist society, or in a world where government had given up on copyright and intellectual property, TCPA/Palladium would be a great thing, a really good substitute for law, much more effectual, much cheaper, and much less dangerous than law. In a world where we have anticircumve

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread David G. Koontz
Jon Callas wrote: > On 8/1/02 1:14 PM, "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>So my question is: What is your reason for shielding your identity? >>You do so at the cost of people assuming the worst about your >>motives. > > > Is this a tacit way to suggest that the only people who nee

ZKS Pulls IPO

2002-08-02 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2002/08/02/rtr684925.html Internet security firm pulls planned IPO Reuters, 08.02.02, 8:52 AM ET MONTREAL, August 2 (Reuters) - Zero-Knowledge Systems Inc. pulled the plug on Friday on a planned initial public offering, saying it will instead use a recently complet

Re: ZKS Pulls IPO

2002-08-02 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 10:03 AM -0400 on 8/2/02, Somebody wrote: > Wow. > > Why am I not surprised? Yup. The rubble still bounces, though there are bits of grass poking through. I'm getting queries about stuff from perfect strangers, mostly researchers, for the first t

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Trei, Peter
> Jon Callas[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > On 8/1/02 1:14 PM, "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So my question is: What is your reason for shielding your identity? > > You do so at the cost of people assuming the worst about your > > motives. > > Is this a tacit way to suggest tha

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Wall, Kevin
Mr AARG! writes... > Eric Murray writes: > > Yes, the spec says that it can be turned off. At that point you > > can run anything that doesn't need any of the protected data or > > other TCPA services. But, why would a software vendor that wants > > the protection that TCPA provides allow his

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Trei, Peter
> AARG! Anonymous[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes [...] > Now, there is an optional function which does use the manufacturer's key, > but it is intended only to be used rarely. That is for when you need to > transfer your sealed data from one machine to another (either because you > have b

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Wall, Kevin
First off, let me say that in general, I am against almost everything that the DCMA stands for and am no fan of DRM either. But I do think that we will lose credibility if we can't substantiate our claims, and part of that means recognizing and acknowledging what appears to be legitimate claims fr

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Jon Callas
On 8/1/02 1:14 PM, "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So my question is: What is your reason for shielding your identity? > You do so at the cost of people assuming the worst about your > motives. Is this a tacit way to suggest that the only people who need anonymity or pseudonymity are

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 2 Aug 2002 at 10:43, Trei, Peter wrote: > Since the position argued involves nothing which would invoke > the malign interest of government powers or corporate legal > departments, it's not that. I can only think of two reasons why > our corrospondent may have decided to go undercover...

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Wall, Kevin wrote: > First off, let me say that in general, I am against almost everything > that the DCMA stands for and am no fan of DRM either. But I do think that > we will lose credibility if we can't substantiate our claims, and part of > that means recognizing and ackno

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, James A. Donald wrote: > -- > On 2 Aug 2002 at 10:43, Trei, Peter wrote: > > Since the position argued involves nothing which would invoke > > the malign interest of government powers or corporate legal > > departments, it's not that. I can only think of two reasons why >

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

2002-08-02 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Sampo Syreeni writes: > On 2002-08-01, AARG!Anonymous uttered to [EMAIL PROTECTED],...: > > >It does this by taking hashes of the software before transferring > >control to it, and storing those hashes in its internal secure > >registers. > > So, is there some sort of guarantee that the transfer