Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:31 AM, Elyn Wollensky wrote: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers 36 minutes ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected terrorism susp

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Eric Cordian
Someone posted: > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the > U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected > terrorism suspects under a law adopted by Congress after the Sept. 11, 2001, > attacks. So we not only have secret courts, w

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
"And to think some people think Timoth McVeigh was wrong in liquidating a military target." Holy Crap May, I'm not quite sure how you meant this but I find this distrubing (and I agree with a lot of what you post)...by "Military Target" do you mean the building, or the people (and children) wh

Re: AIR TRAVELER ID REQUIREMENT CHALLENGED

2002-11-18 Thread John Gilmore
> I was browsing some of my old mail when I came across this. What's the > status of Gilmore's case? The regulations I'm challenging purport to require air and train travelers to show a "government issued ID". Every traveler has been subjected to these "requirements", but it turns out that they

(Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
"Who, for instance, sees nothing at all wrong with selling votes. Where I come from, it's called "equity". :-)." Yes, one could argue that the vast majority of the public have their votes bought and sold all the time, but they are unaware of it and don't reap the benefits. Wait scratch that...t

Re: CDR: Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get theoil. Who's ne

2002-11-18 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: > Dubbya has only been in office about a year and a half, and in that time, he > has destroyed Freedom in this country? Not entirely, just *mostly*. > I don't think so. I'm still able to > practice my religion freely. Sure. Provided your religion do

Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I > like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes. But then votes are property, and property can be transfered, so you could sell your vote from your will, and dead voters co

Re: AIR TRAVELER ID REQUIREMENT CHALLENGED

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
Damn. I can't help but think that this sounds kinda Kafka-esque...might we see something like this in the future? Court: Please provide a defense for the charges that have been levied against you. Gilmore: Sure, if you'll tell me what the charges are, and what law I've broken. Court: No. The

Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 07:02:40AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: | On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: | | > Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I | > like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes. | | But then votes are property, and property can be t

Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: > Ross Perot demonstrated that you can buy your way into an election > now. Maybe we should just admit that that's the case. Could it be > worse than the unofficially sold elections and gerrymandered districts > we have now? I think it's pretty well dem