Re: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-04-01 Thread Neil Johnson
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 08:50 pm, Neil Johnson wrote: > When I went to work for the University I graduated from. I discovered all > sorts of interesting things and even more when my sister enrolled. >

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
I don't think they will need to fight us, just impose sanctions by the UN, or even just a world boycott of the US. That and a few suicide bombers in the US now and again. How many suicide bombers in airports would it take to finish off the US air industry? The rest of the world is perfectly capa

Taliban govt

2003-04-01 Thread stuart
I vaguely remembered something about the Taliban not being recognized by the UN as Afghanistan's legitimate govt, apparently they were still acknowledging the govt in exile or something. Apparently that was a brief moment when the US actually cared about the UN's opinion, but, as usual, only becaus

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: Poo Poo. I'd say it was a hoax, but there's not much to hoax. I don't think the article ever says the kid created a reactor. He just brought together a largish amount of radioactive material and made a mess. You fucking cretin, _you_ a

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 04:52 PM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: He desperately needs to get up to speed. Speed makes you paranoid in a while. (...or would it be "get up on speed"? English propositions are a minefield.) The idiom comes from this form: get up to (achieve) a speed of 100 km/hour,

RE: Run a remailer, go to jail?

2003-04-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 4:35 PM -0500 on 4/1/03, Trei, Peter wrote: > If you (or anyone) goes, I'm sure we'd all appreciate some > notes on what transpired. I understand 17 different bills are > being considered at this hearing, so don't blink or > you may miss it. Coo

not really, Re: Run a remailer, go to jail?

2003-04-01 Thread Ed Gerck
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:10:56PM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html > > Quoting: > > Here is one example of the far-reaching harmful effects of > these bills. Both bills would flatly ban the possession, sale, > or use o

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Steve Furlong
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 15:16, Tim May wrote: > This "Tyler Durden" nym claims to be a high school physics teacher, > IIRC, and also claims to have once worked in industry. The high > school part I find plausible, the industry part also plausible (given > some of the folks I had to work with). >

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Thomas Shaddack
> This was widely reported, in a major magazine article ("Atlantic > Monthly," if I remember correctly) several years ago. It was also > debunked. Yes, it was an old story. But a nice one... :) Debunked? How? > A "reactor" made with bits of smoke detectors (Am-241) and other cruft > is _not_ a re

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Poo Poo. I'd say it was a hoax, but there's not much to hoax. I don't think the article ever says the kid created a reactor. He just brought together a largish amount of radioactive material and made a mess. As for getting "up to speed", let's just say I've lived in a cave for the last bunch of

Public hearing on Super DMCA in Boston

2003-04-01 Thread Dave Emery
The public hearing on the Mass version of the super-DMCA bills that have been the topic of so much discussion is scheduled for tommorow April 2nd at 10 AM in room 222 of the State House in Boston. This may supply some answers as to who is originating these bills and what their goal

Re: Run a remailer, go to jail?

2003-04-01 Thread Derek Atkins
Peter, I'll see if I can get there. I'm not sure I can. But I know a number of other MIT-types who are considering going. If I can go I'll try to keep notes. If I can't go, then hopefully someone else can take some notes. -derek "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Derek, etal > > I

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
John Kelsey wrote: I think there was some complicated argument about the Taliban not being a legitimate government, What's a legitimate government? One with enough firepower to make its rule stick?

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Here's a story about a kid who basically made a duct-tape and tin foil reactor. Or almost. If it's a hoax, its a pretty good one. http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html -TD Inspiring... :) This was widely reported, in a

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:56 AM 4/1/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: >Here's a story about a kid who basically made a duct-tape and tin foil >reactor. Or almost. If it's a hoax, its a pretty good one. > > >http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html What he did was replicate some experiments from the turn of the

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Ken Brown
Steve Mynott wrote: > > Tyler Durden wrote: > > > Well, I think there's an obvious disconnect on this issue. Clearly, > > pre-Christian religious practices survived Christian persecution > > throughout the ages. From the little I know, some of the practicing > > Druids actually have received a ne

RE: Run a remailer, go to jail?

2003-04-01 Thread Trei, Peter
Derek, etal If you (or anyone) goes, I'm sure we'd all appreciate some notes on what transpired. I understand 17 different bills are being considered at this hearing, so don't blink or you may miss it. Peter Trei > -- > From: Derek Atkins[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Dave Eme

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-04-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 08:43:34PM +0100, Ken Brown wrote: > Steve Schear wrote: > > > At 06:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, stuart wrote: > > >On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... > > > > > >You give too much credit to the Romans. Catholicism worked so well > > >because it is a v

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
John Kelsey wrote: but it sure seems like it would be unhealthy to be one of the people shooting at the helicopters in that situation--like a bunch of people shooting at a lion with .22 pistols or something. Even if you eventually drive the helicopter off, it's going to leave a big pile of b

Re: CDR: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Damian Gerow
Mike Rosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So when the rest of the world retaliates with all their military power that > > the US fails to appreciate, what strategic war plan does the rest of the > > world have for handling a couple thousand nukes? Just trying to figure > > their options? > > Ru

Re: CDR: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Damian Gerow wrote: > And then the whole world dies, because of ... what? Natural stupidity. > Seriously, I *highly* doubt that any nation at this time would *seriously* > think of bombing another nuclear-enabled nation with a nuclear weapon. It's > just suicide. > > 'a cou

Re: Things are looking better all the time [TERROR ALERT: Cerenkov Blue]

2003-04-01 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:36 AM 3/27/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 08:41 AM, John Kelsey wrote: ... However, it seems to me it would be very hard for this news not to leak out. If, say, a nuke or serious bioterror weapon had been found in a major city, a lot of agencies would have had kno

Re: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
"Hundreds of reporters are embedded with the soldiers on the ground. This makes it impossible for the US government to lie overmuch." Well it's not like a reporter can just jump onto a tank and ride wherever its going. Those embedded reporters are pre-selected and then sent with the troops that

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Steve Mynott
Tyler Durden wrote: Well, I think there's an obvious disconnect on this issue. Clearly, pre-Christian religious practices survived Christian persecution throughout the ages. From the little I know, some of the practicing Druids actually have received a nearly unbroken chain of tradition. The mo

Re: Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Thomas Shaddack
> Here's a story about a kid who basically made a duct-tape and tin foil > reactor. Or almost. If it's a hoax, its a pretty good one. > http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html > -TD Inspiring... :) Which reminds me of an idea I am harbouring for couple months now, based on reports abo

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
"You won't find a prohibition against using drugs, nor a requirement to persecute those who use them, anywhere in the Christian scriptures." Well...not exactly a prohibition, no, but close. As I remember there's something in either Peter or Paul mentioning "pharmakia", which is usually translat

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Steve Mynott wrote... "The burden of truth lies with you and Harmon to prove authentic pagans exist." Well I don't know if I cared enough to call it a 'burden'! You may be correct wrt European pagan "traditions". But certainly Santeria and the assoicated Cajun varieties are a different matter

Re: Missile -launchers in iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Ken Brown
Tyler Durden wrote: [...] > PS: Anyone notice the conceptual similarity between "shock and awe" and > "blitzkrieg"? Yes, similar in some respects, though not the same. "Shock and awe" (terrible name for a quite sensible idea) was about a military force which is overwhelmingly stronger than its o

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
"Or perhaps a little closer to home, check out Aleister Crowley, William Yeats, and all that crowd. Magick, alchemy, the craft of the wise, are all long practiced spiritual paths, certainly as valid, probably even more, than christianity." Well, I think there's an obvious disconnect on this issu

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Harmon Seaver wrote... Duh! Why don't you ask the pope to prove god exiests? WTF do you mean >by "authentic" anyway? That has to be patently one of the most stupid >statements I've ever seen on this list. If someone says they worship >Ishtar or Isis or Brighid or Gaia, who they fuck are you to

Public hearing in Boston on Mass DMCA bill

2003-04-01 Thread David I Emery
For those on this list from the Boston area there is a public hearing on the Mass version of the Super-DMCA bill on Wed April 2nd at 10 AM in Room 222 of the Mass State house in downtown Boston. This might be a chance to find out who is sponsoring this legislation and raise some ob

Re: 3/31 FCC hearing notes from gbn

2003-04-01 Thread Steve Gardner
Long, potentially boring email, follows... > - David Price probed on playlists, saying he really > didn't understand how playlists worked. Tift did a great job in showing the passion and frustration of dealing with a crooked industry. When David Price started this questioning I don't think he got

Re: Run a remailer, go to jail?

2003-04-01 Thread Derek Atkins
Dave Emery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For those on this list in the Boston area there is a hearing > scheduled on the Mass Bill at 10 Am in Room 222 of the Mass State House > in Boston. 10am on what date? -derek -- Derek Atkins Computer and Internet Security Consultant

Re: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead

2003-04-01 Thread James A. Donald
-- > > Hundreds of reporters are embedded with the soldiers on the > > ground. This makes it impossible for the US government to > > lie overmuch." On 1 Apr 2003 at 11:06, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well it's not like a reporter can just jump onto a tank and > ride wherever its going. Those emb

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-04-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:09:17PM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: > Harmon Seaver wrote: > > >>And what makes you think things would have been any better in the > >>absence of Christianity? > > > >You've heard of the Inquistion perhaps? > > > The Catholic Church (which carried out the Inquisit

Duct-tape and tin foil nukular reactor?

2003-04-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Here's a story about a kid who basically made a duct-tape and tin foil reactor. Or almost. If it's a hoax, its a pretty good one. http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html -TD _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Ge

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 08:06:54PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 06:06 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > >On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:44:43PM -0500, stuart wrote: > >>Yes, wicca is a word with old roots. > >> > >>The inventor of wicca, Gerald Gardner, had a very good idea lookin

[sfs-dev] ANNOUNCE: Patriot S/WAN 1.0 Released!

2003-04-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Duncan Frissell wrote: > So when the rest of the world retaliates with all their military power that > the US fails to appreciate, what strategic war plan does the rest of the > world have for handling a couple thousand nukes? Just trying to figure > their options? Russia,

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-04-01 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Harmon Seaver wrote: But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of Europe. You are completely and utterly wrong here. The Romans never

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Tim May
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 06:06 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:44:43PM -0500, stuart wrote: Yes, wicca is a word with old roots. The inventor of wicca, Gerald Gardner, had a very good idea looking up the old english word for 'witch' when he concocted his story in the 50'

Re: Missile -launchers in iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Neil Johnson
On Monday 31 March 2003 11:40 am, Steve Schear wrote: > At 05:00 PM 3/31/2003 +, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > >On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:35:55 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > >What's the US line on why Iraq hasn't shot nukes, chems and bio > >weapons at them? If an invasion and mi

Re: Missile -launchers in iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Bill Frantz
At 4:05 PM -0800 3/31/03, Neil Johnson wrote: >- They don't want the US to be able to justify the invasion, "See we told you >they had WMD, we had to go in." If I were Iraq, I would make sure that any WoMD that survived the inspections were destroyed and all traces removed as part of an after-the-

Re: Missile -launchers in iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Dave Howe
Neil Johnson wrote: > - Most important, using Biological or Chemical Weapons is a two-edged > sword. They could do just as much damage to their own troops as to > the US and UK troops if they make a mistake. Might be interesting to see what would happen if iran felt threatened by bush's aggressive

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-04-01 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 09:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Tim wrote: To cut to the chase, several of my former friends are calling me a traitor and claiming to have reported me to the FBI for my statements about how the war machine ought to be hacked and undermined. See below. A so-called "conservative"

Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:44:43PM -0500, stuart wrote: > Yes, wicca is a word with old roots. > > The inventor of wicca, Gerald Gardner, had a very good idea looking up > the old english word for 'witch' when he concocted his story in the > 50's. I have no clue who Gerald Gardner is, but you

RE: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead

2003-04-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings Traitors, :-) At 8:02 AM -0800 on 3/31/03, James A. Donald made a splendid attempt to re-appellate Marc "Lucky Green" Briceno to "Commie Red". I was always suspicious of that boy. Never trust anyone with a continental accent, I always say.

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-04-01 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Harmon Seaver wrote: And what makes you think things would have been any better in the absence of Christianity? You've heard of the Inquistion perhaps? The Catholic Church (which carried out the Inquisition, in cooperation with various governments) is not the whole of Christianity. There are

Re: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead

2003-04-01 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: > > Indeed, this "He said, she said" approach, which treats US > > reports and Iraqi reports as equally credible, seems to me > > like Baathist propaganda, like anti western bias. Kevin S. Van Horn: > Lying is as natural to governments as breathing is to normal, > health

Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!

2003-04-01 Thread stuart
Yes, wicca is a word with old roots. The inventor of wicca, Gerald Gardner, had a very good idea looking up the old english word for 'witch' when he concocted his story in the 50's. Wicca is nonsense. I've known plenty of wiccans, and guess what... Even if every wiccan that ever existed were put t

RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-01 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 12:43 PM 3/29/2003 -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: I totally agree. The US has lost everything in terms of world opinion. We are morons led by an insane lunatic and the US needs to be dealt with accordingly. Once we start invading Syria, the world will retaliate in a big way. We're already building