Re: Larry Lessig on ending anonymity through identity escrow

2003-12-07 Thread Tim May
DO NOT FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO ANY OTHER LISTS. I AM GETTING TIRED OF SEEING CYPHERPUNKS JUST BE THE DUMPING GROUND FOR STUFF FROM OTHER LISTS. In almost all foreseeable cases, a system which allows identity escrow _cost more_ than a system which does not. This is analogous to the increased

Re: Type III Anonymous message

2003-12-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:10:04PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: Tim, I AM GETTING TIRED OF SEEING CYPHERPUNKS RESTRICTING WHAT INFORMATION FLOWS AND TO WHERE IT FLOWS... He is correct, of course. One of these days I'm going to get MailMan working, and resurrect cpunx-news. This list shouldn't

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-07 Thread John Young
When I got censored by [EMAIL PROTECTED] a couple of weeks ago I tried to subscribe to these nodes: Algebra Infonex Lne Minder Sunder Pro-ns Openpgp Ccc Subscription was successful only on: Algebra Pro-ns Both of thse provided a who response on 11/10/03 of Algebra 122 Pro-ns 14 I get the

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-07 Thread John Young
This mighty wind header of Pro-ns outblows most messages, and appears to confirm that only Algebra, Lne and Pro-ns are in the X-loop: Status: U Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from hq.pro-ns.net ([208.200.182.20]) by strange.mail.mindspring.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP

Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19

2003-12-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote: I have several theories/conjectures about what is happening to mailing lists. First, a lot of the younger folks--who used to be some of the fresh blood for lists like ours--are not users of mailing lists. I expect some of them don't even know such

Re: Larry Lessig on ending anonymity through identity escrow

2003-12-07 Thread Bill Stewart
I think Declan's got the title wrong - Lessig's discussions that he references aren't about ending anonymity through escrowed pseudonymity - they're about replacing some True-Name-based or linkable applications with pseudonymous ones. For instance, one-use credit card numbers instead of regular

Re: Larry Lessig on ending anonymity through identity escrow

2003-12-07 Thread Tim May
On Dec 5, 2003, at 3:53 PM, Tim May wrote: Back to the cost issue. Prof. Lessig argues that voluntary identity escrow systems should be encouraged. How/ Through nattering to people about how they ought to use a more expensive, less flexible system which exposes them to possible danger and which