Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 6:29 PM +1300 11/3/04, Peter Gutmann wrote: Do you seriously think the war on bogey^H^H^Hterrorism can ever be won? You're gonna love this one: You can't have terrorism without state sponsors. We take out (by whatever means at hand...) state sponsors of terrorism, and, hey, presto, no

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread Peter Gutmann
R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Germany 1944 does not equal USA 2004, no matter how hard you twist the kaleidoscope. Fighting an unwinnable war always seems to produce the same type of rhetoric, whether it's the war on some drugs, the war on anyone Bush doesn't like, or the war on

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread John Young
The US has not won since WW2. Rebellions, now called terrorist wars, have been far more successful. If you want to be a winner do not enlist in military forces of states, rather get a spin contract far from danger, arguing the virtues of mightily fearsome hardware and sacrificial patriotism. The

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 7:33 AM -0800 11/3/04, John Young wrote: The US has not won since WW2. Nope. Not at all. 1. Korea we lost by shoving the commies all the way up to the Yalu river. And then leaving them to fester behind a still-extant DMZ until they're almost

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 5:21 PM +1300 11/3/04, Peter Gutmann wrote: another super-power in the mid 1940s about winning an unwinnable war because God/righteousness/whatever was on their side Relativism does not a fact make, Peter. Germany 1944 does not equal USA 2004, no matter how hard you twist the kaleidoscope.

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread Nomen Nescio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: You're gonna love this one: You can't have terrorism without state sponsors. Nonsense! Are you in junior high? We take out (by whatever means at hand...) state sponsors of terrorism, and, hey, presto, no terrorism. Iraq.

RE: Musings on getting out the vote

2004-11-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:11 PM 11/2/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: And they seem to believe there's going to be a huge difference between Kang and Kodos. If you vote for Kang, the terrorists have won! Besides, without paper (ie physical) evidence, how're you gonna prove that Kang won? At least I live in a blue

So Who Won?

2004-11-03 Thread Eric Cordian
So who won the US election? The turd sandwich, or the giant douche? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law

Re: So Who Won?

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:54 PM -0800 11/2/04, Eric Cordian wrote: So who won the US election? The turd sandwich, or the giant douche? The Turd Sandwich, of course... Vote Turd Sandwich!!! Advancing the cause of jingoism and darkness, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The

Re: So Who Won?

2004-11-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:54 PM 11/2/2004, Eric Cordian wrote: So who won the US election? The turd sandwich, or the giant douche? Cthulhu appears to be way ahead.

Re: So Who Won?

2004-11-03 Thread Chuck Wolber
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Eric Cordian wrote: So who won the US election? The turd sandwich, or the giant douche? Which witch is which... Ohio is still in play, all the rest are pretty much decided. Ohio has 120,000-ish provisional ballots and about 300,000 regular votes yet to be counted. The

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread John Kelsey
From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 2, 2004 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Memorable Day .. Expect more carnage than culture when Bush is elected. I gather we waited to start the offensive in Fallujah(sp?) until the polls were all closed. I'm not sure how much of

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 12:50 PM +0100 11/3/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: Nonsense! Are you in junior high? Are you high, junior? Or is it just your politics that sound so... sophomoric? :-) This post gave me a big laugh. So naive. There are a few basic forces feeding

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
ObPedantry: At 9:49 AM -0500 11/3/04, R.A. Hettinga wrote: If you'd learned any history, you'd know that the first argument is x second the result of the complete failure of the *premises* of the first to happen at all -- -

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: Well it wasn't the point I was trying to make, which was comparing it to predictions made by (the propaganda division of) another super-power in the mid 1940s about winning an unwinnable war because God/righteousness/whatever was on their side, and all they had to do

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread Tyler Durden
2. Vietnam we lost by kicking their asses so badly that our campuses revolted, at the behest of a bunch of marxists. Whereupon we packed up, partied for about 15 years, and killed their communist sugar daddies in Moscow with just the *possibility* we could invent something strategic missile

Re: Musings on getting out the vote

2004-11-03 Thread Pete Capelli
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:04:24 -0800, Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least I live in a blue state. The reds, you've earned what you've earned. So ... don't blame you, you voted for Kodos? -- Pete Capelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: Fighting an unwinnable war always seems to produce the same type of rhetoric, It is a little premature to call this war unwinnable. The kill ratio so far is comparable with Britain's zulu war. --digsig James A. Donald

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- This post gave me a big laugh. So naive. There are a few basic forces feeding extremism and terrorism around the world and those are inequalities and injustice anywhere. You are quite right, it is unjust that people like Bin Laden are so immensely rich with oil wealth. To remedy this

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread John Young
Bob, But your defenses of the fatherland are hollow formulas. There has been no war to win, a war the US is forever stealing from the citizenry to prepare for, and then fucking up with the minor skirmishes by having no doctrine or training to apply its mythical might, except, as always, to

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- R.A. Hettinga wrote: Seriously, any future crypto-anarchy / anarcho-capitalist society is probably not going to succeed unless it can project *more* force than we can project currently with force monopoly -- not less. That *doesn't* mean centralized, but it certainly means *more*. It is

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 11:11 AM -0800 11/3/04, James A. Donald wrote: Dhimmitude being a dangerously inferior status where one's property is insecure, and women are apt to be raped. ObSmartAssComment: That's why they call it Dhimmicracy, much less the Dhimmicratic Party... :-). Cheers, RAH -- -

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 11:11 AM -0800 11/3/04, James A. Donald wrote: It is often argued that since war, violence, etc, are public goods This is my favorite retort to that: Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes. -- Friedrich Hayek An otherwise excellent rant elided... Cheers, RAH --

Why you keep losing to this idiot

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
This comes from an old joke. A grand master, in the middle of a chess match, jumps up onto the table, kicks off all the pieces, and screams, almost unintelligibly, Why must I *lose*, to such *idiots*!!!. :-). Cheers, RAH --- http://slate.msn.com/toolbar.aspx?action=printid=2109079 Simple

U.S. stocks surge as Bush heads for victory

2004-11-03 Thread R.A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text snip... Midday Report http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?column=Newswatchdist=nwtamsiteid=mktw snip... Current levels on US market indices at 11:40 am ET Nov 3, 2004 Last Change DJIA

Diebold

2004-11-03 Thread Eugen Leitl
So, we know Diebold commited vote fraud. Irregularities, my ass. Why did Kerry just roll over? The second time, after Gore? This just doesn't make sense. There's been over a year to prepare. Or is the entire process just a charade? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread John Kelsey
From: Nomen Nescio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Memorable Day .. The only way to move towards a more friendly world is to make people feel they are able to share the wealth and prosperity of the world. As long as there is one single

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-03 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, this may actually be less hard than we thought. Indeed, it's the one vaguely silver lining in this toxic cloud. Outsourcing to India will actually add a lot to world stability. Of course, we'll loose a lot of jobs in the process, but in the long run we'll eventually have another strong