Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-18 Thread Tim Meehan
Harmon Seaver said: > But how important is that anyway? Most any half competent burglar knows >enough to cut the phone wire before the B&E, so they don't get called. A local alarm company here (Alarmforce) advertises an "extra" to their basic package: a backup cellular phone link to th

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-18 Thread Tim Meehan
Roy M. Silvernail said: >But it's not trivial to roll your own 24/7 monitoring company with the ability >to call in the cops. >From what I hear, indoor marijuana grow-ops that are alarmed with hand-rolled systems often activate a pager. In that case you DO NOT want the cops to come. As an asi

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 08:52:32AM -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2003 02:01, John Kozubik wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > ...in cahoots with the "authorities"? > > > > Most intelligent and savvy people I know "roll their own" Tivo (PVR, etc.) > > -

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Pelcak
On Saturday, Aug 9, 2003, at 19:29 US/Central, Tim May wrote: I figure that for a few thousand dollars and a spare laptop or two I could have a system very resistant to cutting phone or power lines, and something which would make surreptitious entry teams think twice. (Leave a couple of the 802

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Sunder
Add your own 2nd alarm system. You can even use the sensors of your existing one to interface with a computer (just the sensors, mind you, not the actual controllers.) Got a DSL line? Got a modem? Got a cell phone? Got a pager? Got network capable cameras? Got access to another computer o

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Spooks & Physical IDS: If you are specifying a "roll your own security system", you probably want to make a distinction between building an "alarm company" and a "physical intrusion detection and logging" system. With the former you're hoping to keep your items; with the latter you're trying to ke

How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Tyler Durden
..in cahoots with the "authorities"? In other words, lets say I leave my house for an extended period of time, and "they" tell the Alarm Monitoring company to shut down for a while so they can protect our freedoms. (I assume this is the way they would go about installing various things in one's

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread John Kozubik
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: > ...in cahoots with the "authorities"? Most intelligent and savvy people I know "roll their own" Tivo (PVR, etc.) - I think the answer to your question is that it would be reasonable (and trivial) to roll your own alarm system. - John Kozubik [EMAIL

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Sunder
>From what I've heard (not confirmed) most of this stuff is either simple sensors (continuity test) or it talks over a variant of rs422 - unencrypted for things like keypads. Not good, especially if these are accessible on the outside. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On Saturday 09 August 2003 02:01, John Kozubik wrote: > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: > > ...in cahoots with the "authorities"? > > Most intelligent and savvy people I know "roll their own" Tivo (PVR, etc.) > - I think the answer to your question is that it would be reasonable (and > triv

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-14 Thread John Young
The alarm and security specialists we've talked to claim the greatest threat to systems are authorized users: the property owners, their children, employees, servants, nearly all of whom fail to arm and disarm the system properly not matter how carefully instructed. A false alarm is feared by the

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-11 Thread Neil Johnson
On Saturday 09 August 2003 07:29 pm, Tim May wrote: > > Cellphones are cheap enough, and monthly charges are small enough when > N machines share the same monthly account charge (Dad, Mom, Johnnie, > Suzy, and Alarm). I would be surprised if today's alarm companies > already aren't making good use

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-11 Thread Thomas Shaddack
> How can I tell if my alarm has been "down" for a period of time, assuming I > don't believe the records of the alarm company in such cases? There is a plethora of various devices suitable for an alarm system, both off-the-shelf and homemadeable. You can cheaply roll out a camera system with a

Re: How can you tell if your alarm company's...

2003-08-10 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 08:52:32AM -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: On Saturday 09 August 2003 02:01, John Kozubik wrote: On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: ...in cahoots with the "authorities"? Most intelligent and savvy people I