Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:12 PM 10/27/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: >spend pennies. Eventually you gotta figure that'll eat into the invasionary >funds, no? (Or am I being naive?) To a troll-like extent. The government left the gold (etc) standard so they could print money to fund wars. They will also not hesitate t

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-28 Thread Joe Block
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 26, 2003, at 3:57 PM, Jurgen Botz wrote: 1) The general public doesn't really use crypto... partly because it's "off the social radar", partly because it's just too difficult, etc., etc. As a result the TLAs can employ the kind of Orwellian mas

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-28 Thread Tyler Durden
housands of $$$ while we spend pennies. Eventually you gotta figure that'll eat into the invasionary funds, no? (Or am I being naive?) -TD From: Neil Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win" Date: Mon,

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Neil Johnson
On Monday 27 October 2003 10:53 am, Tyler Durden wrote: > > Hum...can an ISP offer encryption as a service? > > -TD > Ummm, are we forgetting about the Patriot Act and siblings ? YOU want to do the encryption, not the ISP who can be secretly subpoenaed to hand over the plain text. At least if

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Tyler Durden
them using crypto) do you really care what they think?" Hum...can an ISP offer encryption as a service? -TD From: "Dave Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Email List: Cypherpunks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: "If you use encryption, you help the ter

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Dave Howe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:27 pm, Tyler Durden wrote: >> secure (every ask anyone if they believed there was such a thing as >> effectively 'unbreakable' encryption? Reglar folks always believe >> SOMEBODY'S got the technology to break what scheme you use, so "why >>

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:57 PM 10/26/03 -0800, Jurgen Botz wrote: >Wasn't there a Mafioso who got busted and convicted based on >evidence that had been PGP encrypted and where they stole the >key with a keyboard dongle? Nicodemo Scarfo. He used his Dad's federal-prison ID number, but the Feds couldn't guess that, s

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Jurgen Botz
Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... "I predict we'll soon be seeing a new thought control campaign with this theme, that "if you use encryption, you help the terrorists win."" Well, I'm dubious. Right now I'm thinking their strategy has been to pull encryptio

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Morlock Elloi
> I have a few friends like thisanyone have suggestions for ways to change > their minds? > > Basically they say things like "If you think the government can't break all > the encryption schemes that we have, you're nuts." This guy was a math major > too, so he understands the principles of c

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-27 Thread Burning Cows with Strauss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:27 pm, Tyler Durden wrote: > Tim May wrote... > > secure (every ask anyone if they believed there was such a thing as > effectively 'unbreakable' encryption? Reglar folks always believe > SOMEBODY'S got the technology to

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win" [Reply to Durden]

2003-10-25 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:27 PM 10/25/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: >frontol assault. Also watch carefully for hole-pokers...I'd bet their's also >been disinfo campaigns to get the public to think that no crypto is secure >(every ask anyone if they believed there was such a thing as effectively >'unbreakable' encrypti

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-25 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... "I predict we'll soon be seeing a new thought control campaign with this theme, that "if you use encryption, you help the terrorists win."" Well, I'm dubious. Right now I'm thinking their strategy has been to pull encryption down off of

Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-25 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:52 PM 10/24/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: >The U.S. had plans >for the contracts to deploy cellphones to go to American companies, but >the local puppets must have had no fear of the Americans, as they went >with a better bribe: mostly Arabic cellphone providers will deploy the >initial system.

"If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"

2003-10-24 Thread Tim May
I predict we'll soon be seeing a new thought control campaign with this theme, that "if you use encryption, you help the terrorists win." Similar to the heavy advertising (paid for by Big Brother, and hence by money stolen from taxpayers) with the theme that lighting up a doob