Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-07 Thread Steve Thompson
--- "privacy.at Anonymous Remailer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Thompson: > > > If that's true, then the government couldn't have stolen it. > > However, I suspect that mainfraim code of any sophistication is > > rarely released into the public domain. I imagine the author would > > be

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-07 Thread privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
Steve Thompson: > If that's true, then the government couldn't have stolen it. > However, I suspect that mainfraim code of any sophistication is > rarely released into the public domain. I imagine the author would > be able to clear that up, assuming he has no financial reason to > falsify its

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread John Young
Cryptome hosts a 2000 book excerpt on PROMIS as allegedly used by Mossad, though not much about the technical details of the program: http://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm The file has links to other information on Riconosciuto offered by Orlin Grabbe, a long-time supporter of Riconosciuto. Bac

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Neil Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > >[PROMIS] > Yes, I have found that puzzling too. > > Articles I have read refer to the original version being "in the public > domain". You'd think the source code would be "out there" somewh

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: > >is that with a > >staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, > > Oh, please... > > Try googling the "line-count" of any major piece of software, particularly > in an age of object-oriented code... OOP is

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote: >is that with a >staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, Oh, please... Try googling the "line-count" of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Neil Johnson
One the claims I have problems with (from the WIRED article): But the real power of PROMIS, according to Hamilton, is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, PROMIS can integrate innumerable databases without requiring any reprogramming. If this were true, I can guarantee that ther

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Nomen Nescio
Bill Stewart shrieb: > There are several different issues related to PROMIS Thanks for your comments. But what about the person Michael Riconosciuto? I did some searches online and I got the feeling that a lot people see him as an extremely intelligent person, a one-in-a-million type of person,

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some > interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael > Riconosciuto among other things. > [PROMIS] Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its ch

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: > >PROMIS > > Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory. > > Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin. And all of them were related to a guy who had a habit of holding $7,000.00 ashtr

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: > Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; > what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as > an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? We had a PROMIS system on our

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: >PROMIS Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory. Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin. However, all you have to do is drop that acronym around here, and, sooner or later, like buzzards to a shitwagon, all the usual suspe

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Bill Stewart
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: > Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; > what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as > an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? At 07:16 PM 12/5/2004, J.A. Terr

Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-06 Thread Neil Johnson
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > I've only read vague hints and rumours concerning its implicit design > philosophy and architecture from the rare instances where it is mentioned > at all. Yes, he code is probably classified (blah, blah, blah), but its > actual use must r

Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS

2004-12-05 Thread Nomen Nescio
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. I followed up on the info and did some surfing on the subject and got quite interested. I also did some searches in my cypherpunk mail folder and