Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, James A. Donald wrote: > On 11 Dec 2004 at 8:29, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > Looking out of my fifth floor window I can connect to ~20 > > 802.x nets *without* directional antennas or high powered > > cards. With extra gear, I can hit almost 50, and in both > > cases, roughly

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:01 PM 12/11/04 +, Justin wrote: >On 2004-12-11T06:48:41-0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >> Mixmaster is the most godawful complex thing to use, much less >> administer, around. Even Jack B Nymble is complex. It needs a simple >> luser interface and something to piggyback servers on. >

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 10 Dec 2004 at 21:47, Joseph Ashwood wrote: > Wardriving is also basically dead. Sure there are a handful > of people that do it, but the number is so small as to be > irrelevant. I regularly use the internet through other people's unprotected wireless networks, simply for convenience

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:17:32AM -0600, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > This seems like a peculiarity of your location. Here in Austin almost > all of downtown is covered by free wireless. I wonder how much of it is deliberate. I run my AP open for any passerby, and expect similiar in return when I pas

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:01 AM 12/13/04 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: Interestingly, I don't >know of anyone who still actively wardrives at random (as opposed to >against specific targets) for this same reason. I've met some people this year who war-fly SoCal: a cessna, laptop, and regular dipole suffices, and a GP

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 11 Dec 2004 at 8:29, J.A. Terranson wrote: > Looking out of my fifth floor window I can connect to ~20 > 802.x nets *without* directional antennas or high powered > cards. With extra gear, I can hit almost 50, and in both > cases, roughly a third are completely open, another third are >

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread Justin
On 2004-12-11T06:48:41-0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > > At 09:47 PM 12/10/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: > >Now we're back to the MixMaster argument. Mixmaster was meant to be a > >"Napster-level popular app" for emailing, but people just don't care > >about anonymity. > > Mixmaster is the m

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:08 AM 12/11/2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Justin wrote: > Not necessarily. Mixmaster is trivial to use with Mutt. > > 1. Compile Mixmaster . You just made my case for me. Joe Sixpack will not wtf you are talking about. Hell, half the RedHat users won't know either ("

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Justin wrote: > Not necessarily. Mixmaster is trivial to use with Mutt. > > 1. Compile Mixmaster > 2. Put the binary in some directory somewhere. > 3. Configure Mutt with --with-mixmaster (sadly not enabled by default) > 4. add the line 'set mixmaster="/location/to/bin/mixm

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-13 Thread cluesink
Major Variola (ret) wrote: Mixmaster is the most godawful complex thing to use, much less administer, around. Even Jack B Nymble is complex. It needs a simple luser interface and something to piggyback servers on. Mixminion is a little better, but needs more market penetration and still has no

Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-11 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: >> If the Klan doesn't have >> a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will >> survive? > >Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what >makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead? OK, substitute

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-11 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > Joseph Ashwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped > > for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network. > > This seems like a peculiarity of your location. Here in Austin almost

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-11 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Joseph Ashwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped > for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network. This seems like a peculiarity of your location. Here in Austin almost all of downtown is covered by free wireless. -- R

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-11 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:47 PM 12/10/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: >Wardriving is also basically dead. On the contrary. A recent article (zdnet IIRC) described a non-hacker visiting his father, and using a neighbor's connection accidentally. This is very common. My own non-tech father regularly finds other nets

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

2004-12-11 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will surv