RE: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-15 Thread gfgs pedo
hi, I get the idea,thanx. Regards Data. > can u pls explain how they have statistical > signatures,pls- > > > may be using SPN's, i have tried ANSI X9.17 key > generation with GOST-it did have a negligably small > skew-it makes me wonder what statistical signature > they have.The negligable

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-13 Thread gfgs pedo
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Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-13 Thread Jim Choate
A RNG is a character or string generator whose generation algorithm prevents prediction of the next output if one knows all the previous outputs and the algorithm. In other words if you know everything there is to know about the generator your odds of predicting the next output state are even - p

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-13 Thread gfgs pedo
hi, thanx for the replies. one doubt escpecially on this. > >But every algorithm has some >statistical >signature and if you've got enough cipher text you >can compare that >signature with known algorithms to home in on fewer >choices. can u pls explain how they have statistical signatures,pls-

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-13 Thread Mike Rosing
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, gfgs pedo wrote: > can u pls explain how they have statistical > signatures,pls- > > > may be using SPN's, i have tried ANSI X9.17 key > generation with GOST-it did have a negligably small > skew-it makes me wonder what statistical signature > they have.The negligable skew i

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-13 Thread Jim Choate
Perhaps a simpler example. Let's look at a 'fair' coin and what that means in the real world. A normal coin (or any nDx for that matter [1]) for short sequences is random. In other words if you record a game sequence and then replay the game the die sequence won't have any statistical correlatio

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-12 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Sandy Harris wrote: > Doing this is only at worst 12 times harder than breaking a > single known cipher. If some of your 12 breaks are easy, then > total effort is much less than 12 times the hardest cipher. > When we're talking about 2^40 steps to break a laughably weak > ci

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-12 Thread Dean, James
Given cipher output with bytes that look uniformly distributed, it is easy to write a program that will transform the output to a file having any desired distribution of bytes. I've written a program that makes the output look like transposition of English text.

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-11 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Sandy Harris wrote: > No. Any good algorithm should produce output that looks /exactly/ > like random noise, hence they should all look like each other. Wrong, not all RNG's have the same statistical output. There is -nothing- in the requirement for a RNG that requires it (

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-11 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Ryan Sorensen wrote: > Do you have any references for this? A quick google search was less than > revealing. There was a discussion (probably several) a few years ago on sci.crypt. If you point at usenet and try lots of different combinations of keywords I'm sure you'll find

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-11 Thread Sandy Harris
Mike Rosing wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, gfgs pedo wrote: > > > suppose a cryptanalysis only has encrypted data-how is > > going 2 know which is the encrytion algorithm used 2 > > encrypt the data ,so that he can effeciently > > cryptanalyse if > > > > 1:>he has large amount of cipher text on

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-11 Thread Ryan Sorensen
* Mike Rosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020711]: > Depends on how they got the source. They may know it's one of 5 > possible choices because of the person who sent (or received) it. > If it's just found on a disk in a garbage dump with no connections > to anyone, it's a bit tougher. But every algori

Re: Finding encrytion algorithm

2002-07-11 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, gfgs pedo wrote: > suppose a cryptanalysis only has encrypted data-how is > going 2 know which is the encrytion algorithm used 2 > encrypt the data ,so that he can effeciently > cryptanalyse if > > 1:>he has large amount of cipher text only > 2:>has large amount of plain text