Re: Markets (was Re: Hayek was right. Twice.)

2002-07-04 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, If you offered the average guy the deal Would you like on demand access to all movies and television shows ever made, even if it meant fewer and lower budget movie releases in future?, I think most people would go for on demand access to

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Rival means that only one person can own something at once. That, technically, is the case with anything digitable. No. It is the case with the digitized version, but not the work. Nobody would argue that actual copies aren't normal, private goods. One

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Sampo Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] But when the yield does not go to the one who created the master copy, why should anyone create anything, anymore? (Or, more realistically, why should people create at an efficient level?) There's no such thing as efficient level, except in the tautology

Markets (was Re: Hayek was right. Twice.)

2002-07-03 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Sampo Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's no such thing as efficient level, except in the tautology the market outcome is always efficient. Only if you take as granted a market based on some fixed set of property rights and other rules of exchange. If you do this, there is no reason to

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread Michael Motyka
Marcel Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : From: Sampo Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] But when the yield does not go to the one who created the master copy, why should anyone create anything, anymore? (Or, more realistically, why should people create at an efficient level?) There's no such thing

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 12:41 PM +0300 on 7/3/02, Sampo Syreeni wrote: No. It is the case with the digitized version, but not the work. What is a CD but a copy of a work, Sampo? Record companies sell *records*, right? A copy on my hard drive is *my* copy. I can, in

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Marcel Popescu wrote: There's no such thing as efficient level, except in the tautology the market outcome is always efficient. Only if you take as granted a market based on some fixed set of property rights and other rules of exchange. If you do this, there is no reason to

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread jamesd
-- We both created stuff we didn't expect to be paid for - these emails. On 3 Jul 2002 at 20:49, Sampo Syreeni wrote: True. But somehow I fail to see how one can scale this sort of reasoning to entail anything approaching one of the current TOP10 movies. First, lost of people make

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: For me, this is all about Coase's theorem, transaction cost, Coase's observation that you can't have a market without property, Quite. Coase's reasoning demonstrated that any initial allocation of property rights is equivalent (both in the allocative

Re: Markets (was Re: Hayek was right. Twice.)

2002-07-03 Thread jamesd
-- On 4 Jul 2002 at 1:26, Sampo Syreeni wrote: But try constructing an Independence Day without Will Smith. Or the special effects. Or the soundtrack. Or the distribution chain. Try guaranteeing that it arrives on schedule without making a loss. I think you will not be able to accomplish

Re: Markets (was Re: Hayek was right. Twice.)

2002-07-03 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Marcel Popescu wrote: I can't see a market defined as anything else than private property and voluntary exchange. Then you really must be blind. Markets not based on private property or volition abound. The political process is one of them. Social control is another. Gift

Re: Markets (was Re: Hayek was right. Twice.)

2002-07-03 Thread Gabriel Rocha
On Thu, Jul 04, at 01:26AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: | I can't see a market defined as anything else than private property and | voluntary exchange. | | Then you really must be blind. Markets not based on private property or | volition abound. The political process is one of them.

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-03 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Anonymous wrote: Ignoring market failures (such things as public goods and externalities), markets are efficient in the sense that they produce a Pareto optimal outcome. Even if you neglect market failures in the usual sense, an outcome such as everybody becoming a slave to

Re: Hayek was right. Twice.

2002-07-02 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 7:09 PM -0400 on 7/2/02, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Touchi mon pidant, touchi... Shit. All that fancy option-e accent whatchamacallit nonsense with the old mac here, and it comes back i. Somebody call the French language police and send Steve Jobs off to jail. And, yeah, I know, the screed I