Re: TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-16 Thread lynn . wheeler
I arrived at that decision over four years ago ... TCPA possibly didn't decide on it until two years ago. In the assurance session in the TCPA track at spring 2001 intel developer's conference I claimed my chip was much more KISS, more secure, and could reasonably meet the TCPA requirements at the

Re: TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-15 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Joseph Ashwood wrote: > This is going to be a very long, and very boring message. But it should > highlight why we have differing opinions about so very many capabilities of > the TCPA system. For the sake of attempting to avoid supplying too little > information, I have simp

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-15 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Anonymous wrote: > [Repost] > > Joe Ashwood writes: > > > Actually that does nothing to stop it. Because of the construction of TCPA, > > the private keys are registered _after_ the owner receives the computer, > > this is the window of opportunity against that as well. > > A

Re: TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-15 Thread Adam Back
I think a number of the apparent conflicts go away if you carefully track endorsement key pair vs endorsement certificate (signature on endorsement key by hw manufacturer). For example where it is said that the endorsement _certificate_ could be inserted after ownership has been established (not

Re: TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-15 Thread Joseph Ashwood
This is going to be a very long, and very boring message. But it should highlight why we have differing opinions about so very many capabilities of the TCPA system. For the sake of attempting to avoid supplying too little information, I have simply searched for the term and will make comments on e

Re: TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-15 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Adam Back wrote: > Summary: I think the endorsement key and it's hardware manufacturers > certificate is generated at manufacture and is not allowed to be > changed. Changing ownership only means (typically) deleting old > identities and creating new ones. Are there 2 certi

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-15 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Joe Ashwood writes: > Actually that does nothing to stop it. Because of the construction of TCPA, > the private keys are registered _after_ the owner receives the computer, > this is the window of opportunity against that as well. Actually, this is not true for the endoresement key, PUBEK/PRIVEK

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-15 Thread Anonymous
[Repost] Joe Ashwood writes: > Actually that does nothing to stop it. Because of the construction of TCPA, > the private keys are registered _after_ the owner receives the computer, > this is the window of opportunity against that as well. Actually, this is not true for the endoresement key, PU

TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-15 Thread Adam Back
Phew... the document is certainly tortuous, and has a large number of similarly and confusingly named credentials, certificates and keys, however from what I can tell this is what is going on: Summary: I think the endorsement key and it's hardware manufacturers certificate is generated at manufac

TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)

2002-08-15 Thread Adam Back
[resend via different node: [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to be dead -- primary MX refusing connections] Phew... the document is certainly tortuous, and has a large number of similarly and confusingly named credentials, certificates and keys, however from what I can tell this is what is going on: Summ

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-15 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Ben Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Joseph Ashwood wrote: > > There is nothing stopping a virtualized version being created. > What prevents this from being useful is the lack of an appropriate > certificate for the private key in the TPM. Actually that does not

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Laurie
Joseph Ashwood wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ben Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Joseph Ashwood wrote: >> >>>There is nothing stopping a virtualized version being created. >> > >>What prevents this from being useful is the lack of an appropriate >>certificate for the private key

Re: Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-15 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Ben Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The important part for this, is that TCPA has no key until it has an owner, > > and the owner can wipe the TCPA at any time. From what I can tell this was > > designed for resale of components, but is perfectly suitable as a p

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-14 Thread Ben Laurie
Joseph Ashwood wrote: > Lately on both of these lists there has been quite some discussion about > TCPA and Palladium, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the anonymous. :) > However there is something that is very much worth noting, at least about > TCPA. > > There is nothing stopping a virtualized

Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA

2002-08-14 Thread Carl Ellison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 10:58 PM 8/13/2002 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote: >Lately on both of these lists there has been quite some discussion >about TCPA and Palladium, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the >anonymous. :) However there is something that is very much worth >n