Re: Reverse Palladium?

2005-07-15 Thread Adam Back
Anonymous writes in favor of palladium arguing that it is optional, so all is ok. On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 12:15:21AM -0700, cypherpunk wrote: > This is precisely the security model which has so many people upset: > the system owner (the network admin) is giving up control over his > machine, runni

Re: Reverse Palladium?

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:47 AM 7/12/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: How secure can I make a Java sandbox from the rest of the network I'm on? Can I make it so that my network administrator can't see what I'm typing? In other words, a secure environment that's sitting on an insecure machine. There's the "network" and

Re: Reverse Palladium?

2005-07-13 Thread cypherpunk
an insecure machine. Although you asked about "Reverse Palladium" what you really want is Palladium itself. This is precisely the security model which has so many people upset: the system owner (the network admin) is giving up control over his machine, running software which he cannot contr

Re: Reverse Palladium?

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Silk
Well not with java ...? Any keylogger would catch what you type; or any mouse-logger could catch what you click. You could either attempt to remove/bypass keyloggers with a lower-level language, or type in code. .. -- Michael On 7/13/05, Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How secure can

Reverse Palladium?

2005-07-12 Thread Tyler Durden
How secure can I make a Java sandbox from the rest of the network I'm on? Can I make it so that my network administrator can't see what I'm typing? In other words, a secure environment that's sitting on an insecure machine. And of course, there's a short term 'solution' (which will work until t