Re: What is a cypherpunk?

--- Justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > > --- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > As governments were created to smash property rights, they are > > > always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property,

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On 2005-02-16T13:18:16-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > --- Justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > > > --- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > > > As governments were created to smash property rights, they are > > > > always ev

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

--- Justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2005-02-16T13:31:14-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > > --- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > Property is like rights. We create it inherently, because we're > human, > > > it > > > is not bestowed upon us by someone else. Particu

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

--- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Property is like rights. We create it inherently, because we're human, > it > is not bestowed upon us by someone else. Particularly if that property > is > stolen from someone else at tax-time. Bzzt. I call you on your bullshit. Supposedl

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- On 16 Feb 2005 at 0:30, Justin wrote: > Judging from social dynamics and civil advancement in the > animal kingdom, monarchies developed first and property > rights were an afterthought. Recently existent neolithic agricultural peoples, for example the New Guineans, seldom had kings, and

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On 2005-02-16T13:31:14-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > --- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > Property is like rights. We create it inherently, because we're human, > > it > > is not bestowed upon us by someone else. Particularly if that property > > is > > stolen from someone

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

[snip] > > Agreements and accords such as the Berne convention and the DCMA, to > say > > nothing of human-rights legislation, are hobbled by the toothlessness > of > > enforcement, pulic apathy to others' rights, and a load of convenient > > exceptions to such rules made for the agents of state. >

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- James A. Donald > > > As governments were created to smash property rights, > > > they are always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those > > > with property, and the greatest enemy of those with the > > > most property. Steve Thompson > > Uh-huh. Perhaps you are using the term 'governme

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > --- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > As governments were created to smash property rights, they are > > always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property, > > and the greatest enemy of those with the most

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

At 9:40 PM + 2/15/05, Justin wrote: >I think it's fair to say that governments initially formed to protect >property rights (although we have no historical record of such a >government because it must have been before recorded history began). BZZZT. Wrong answer. Governments first steal proper

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On 2005-02-15T21:40:34+, Justin wrote: > On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: > > --- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > As governments were created to smash property rights, they are > > > always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with propert

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

--- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > As governments were created to smash property rights, they are > always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property, > and the greatest enemy of those with the most property. Uh-huh. Perhaps you are using the term 'governme

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

--- ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James A. Donald wrote: > > > The state was created to attack private property rights - to > > steal stuff. Some rich people are beneficiaries, but from the > > beginning, always at the expense of other rich people. > > More commonly states defend the rich a

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- James A. Donald wrote: > > The state was created to attack private property rights - > > to steal stuff. Some rich people are beneficiaries, but > > from the beginning, always at the expense of other rich > > people. On 14 Feb 2005 at 13:18, ken wrote: > More commonly states defend the

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

James A. Donald wrote: The state was created to attack private property rights - to steal stuff. Some rich people are beneficiaries, but from the beginning, always at the expense of other rich people. More commonly states defend the rich against the poor. They are what underpins property rights

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

At 9:44 PM -0800 2/10/05, James A. Donald wrote: >The state was created to attack private property rights - to >steal stuff. "A prince is a bandit who doesn't move." -- Mancur Olsen Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- James A. Donald: > > Corporate lawyers did not descend on Linux until there were > > enough wealthy linux users to see them in court, and send > > in their own high priced lawyers to give them the drubbing > > they deserved. Eugen Leitl > You're misinterpreting the events. Industry has so

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- James A. Donald wrote: > > If, however, you decline to pay taxes, men with guns will > > attack you. > > > > That is the difference between private power and government > > power. ken wrote: > But in most places at most times the state is run at least > partly by and for the rich and the

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

At 10:55 PM -0800 2/9/05, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >A cypherpunk is one who is amused at the phrase "illicit >Iraqi passports". :-). I prefer to call them "fungible identification", myself... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On 2005-02-09T22:38:05-0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:09 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > > -- > > There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating > > system, so Linus did. > > Linus Torvalds didn't write the GNU OS. He wrote the Linux kernel, which > when

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

--- Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:09:56AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > > > There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating > > system, so Linus did. > > Yes. Corporate lawyers descending upon your ass, because you -- > allegedly -- > are in

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:09 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > -- > On 6 Feb 2005 at 19:18, D. Popkin wrote: > > Yes, but Big Brother governments are not the only way such > > "wisdom" gets imposed. Bill Gates came close to imposing it > > upon all of us, and if it hadn't been for Richard Stallma

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

Which reminds me...they apparently found those nickels buried in some guy's back yard: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pdnickels05feb05,0,5206467.story?coll=sfla-news-palm -TD From: "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:58:22PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > Corporate lawyers did not descend on Linux until there were Corporations never saw Linux coming. Now that FOSS is on the radar screen, you'll see lots of very obvious ramming through of IP protection in software. You haven't noti

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

At 10:38 PM 2/9/05 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: >On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:09 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: >> There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating >> system, so Linus did. > >Linus Torvalds didn't write the GNU OS. He wrote the Linux kernel, which >when added to the rest of

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

James A. Donald wrote: If, however, you decline to pay taxes, men with guns will attack you. That is the difference between private power and government power. But in most places at most times the state is run at least partly by and for the rich and the owners of property and supports and privil

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- James A. Donald wrote: > > There is nothing stopping you from writing your own > > operating system, so Linus did. Eugen Leitl wrote > Yes. Corporate lawyers descending upon your ass, because you > -- allegedly -- are in violation of some IP somewhere. See > you in court. Corporate lawyers

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

A cypherpunk is one who is amused at the phrase "illicit Iraqi passports". Given that the government of .iq has been replaced by a conquerer's puppet goverment, who exactly has authority to issue passports there? And why does this belief about the 1-to-1-ness of passports to meat puppets or other

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- On 6 Feb 2005 at 19:18, D. Popkin wrote: > Yes, but Big Brother governments are not the only way such > "wisdom" gets imposed. Bill Gates came close to imposing it > upon all of us, and if it hadn't been for Richard Stallman > and Linus Torvalds, we might all be suffering under that yoke >

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:09:56AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating > system, so Linus did. Yes. Corporate lawyers descending upon your ass, because you -- allegedly -- are in violation of some IP somewhere. See you in court. > If, ho

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- "Cypherpunks generally distrust the collectivist wisdom ..." Yes, but Big Brother governments are not the only way such "wisdom" gets imposed. Bill Gates came close to imposing it upon all of us, and if it hadn't been for Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds, we

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 19:18 -0800, D. Popkin wrote: > The true danger of TCPA is not that "free" MP3s and movies will become > unavailable, but the de facto loss of privacy as non-TCPA gear becomes > unavailable or prohibitively expensive. Agreed, in part. I don't think it'll fly too well if any h

RE: What is a cypherpunk?

lace that (in effect) caused a lot of the security problems we see. Watch mass scale defections from Microsoft the moment they try a lock-box approach...or rather, the moment the first big hack/trojan/DoS attack occurs leveraging the comfy protection of TCPA. -TD From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROT

What is a cypherpunk?

Justin writes: > No, I want the right to fair use of material I buy. If someone sells > DRM-only material, I won't buy it at anything approaching non-DRM > prices. In some cases, I won't buy it at all. Well, that's fine, nobody's forcing you to buy anything. But try to think about this from a

RE: What is a cypherpunk?

Anonymous wrote: >I challenge anyone here to answer the question of what it means to be >a cypherpunk. What are your goals? What is your philosophy? Do you In this day and age, do you realy expect anyone to answer questions like that openly and honestly? Really. There's a similar and simpl