Re: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-23 Thread Tyler Durden
How much off-the-shelf crypto IP is available to be plopped on a crypto net processor? Are their stego detection/cracking Development kits and so on? -TD From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FW:

Re: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:44 PM 3/20/05 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: >What I suspect is that there's already some crypto net processors out there, >though they may be classified, or the commercial equivalent (ie, I assume >there are 'classified' catalogs from companies like General Dynamics that >normal clients never se

FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-21 Thread Trei, Peter
>From Major Variola (ret) > Tyler, Riad, etc: > FPGAs are used in telecom because the volumes do not support an ASIC > run. > Riad doesn't seem to appreciate this. He does understand that an ASIC > is more > efficient because its gates are used only for 1 computation, > rather than > most > (

on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Tyler, Riad, etc: FPGAs are used in telecom because the volumes do not support an ASIC run. Riad doesn't seem to appreciate this. He does understand that an ASIC is more efficient because its gates are used only for 1 computation, rather than most (FPGA) gates being used for reconfigurability ---

Re: on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-21 Thread Tyler Durden
FPGAs probably make more sense for routers, because you want the ability to change the firmware more often, and a router has a bunch of other parts as well, and realistically, cypher-cracking is not an economically viable activity for most people, so the cost-benefit tradeoffs are a bit twisted. Th

Re: on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:11 AM 3/19/2005, Major Variola (ret) wrote: ---useful if you can't afford an ASIC run (a million bucks a mask...) .. For someone making 10,000 routers, you use FPGAs. DESCrack was solving a problem for which the x86 is not very efficient at computing --all the sub-byte bit-diddling-- and har

Re: on FPGAs vs ASICs

2005-03-21 Thread Riad S. Wahby
"Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Riad doesn't seem to appreciate this. Of course I do. I'm saying that for our purposes (a dedicated hashcracker) we want an ASIC. Whether we can afford one or not is another question (obviously if we can't, we buy the best FPGA we can). ..or ar