Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Tal Garfinkel
Software-based attacks are redistributable. Once I write a program that hacks a computer, I can give that program to anyone to use. I can even give it to everyone, and then anyone could use it. The expertise necessary can be abstracted away into a program even my mother could use.

Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?

2002-10-22 Thread Adam Back
On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 10:38:35PM -0400, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: There may be a hole somewhere, but Microsoft is trying hard to get it right and Brian seemed quite competent. It doesn't sound breakable in pure software for the user, so this forces the user to use some hardware hacking. They

Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?

2002-10-22 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 10:52 PM +0100 10/21/02, Adam Back wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 10:38:35PM -0400, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: There may be a hole somewhere, but Microsoft is trying hard to get it right and Brian seemed quite competent. It doesn't sound breakable in pure software for the user, so this

Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Adam Back
Remote attestation does indeed require Palladium to be secure against the local user. However my point is while they seem to have done a good job of providing software security for the remote attestation function, it seems at this point that hardware security is laughable. So they disclaim in

Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Rick Wash
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 04:52:16PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: So they disclaim in the talk announce that Palladium is not intended to be secure against hardware attacks: | Palladium is not designed to provide defenses against | hardware-based attacks that originate from someone in control of

Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?

2002-10-21 Thread Tyler Durden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Cryptography [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Back [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: palladium presentation - anyone going? Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:38:35 -0400 At 7:15 PM +0100 10/17/02, Adam Back wrote: Would someone at MIT / in Boston area like to go to this [see

palladium presentation - anyone going?

2002-10-17 Thread Adam Back
Would someone at MIT / in Boston area like to go to this and send a report to the list? Might help clear up some of the currently unexplained aspects about Palladium, such as: - why they think it couldn't be used to protect software copyright (as the subject of Lucky's patent) - are there plans