Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- denis walker via db-wg wrote: > Just for the record I have followed all previous discussions on this > issue over many years within the RIPE community. There have been many > (opposing) views expressed. I don't recall any consensus within the RIPE > community to expel all, or

Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread Erik Bais via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- It is a broken situation imho.. I would like to see this fixed by setting a path forward along the following lines : - Communicate (via the INETNUM IRR’s) contact the legitimate holder and inform them that the route objects will be removed by date X (or sooner once

Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread Tim Bruijnzeels via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- > On 18 Jul 2017, at 17:03, Sander Steffann via db-wg wrote: > > > From: Sander Steffann > Subject: Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database > Date: 18 July 2017 at 16:10:09 GMT+2 > To: George Michaelson

[db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread denis walker via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Hi Daniel and others Just for the record I have followed all previous discussions on this issue over many years within the RIPE community. There have been many (opposing) views expressed. I don't recall any consensus within the RIPE community to expel all, or even just

Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread Daniel Shaw via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- On 18/07/2017, 15:26, Nick Hilliard via db-wg typed: > > > There are two main ways to fix this problem: > > 1. change all non-RIPE address space to have a different source: tag > > 2. remove all non-RIPE address space completely > > There is some previous discussion

Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread George Michaelson via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Sander Steffann via db-wg wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Sander Steffann > To: George Michaelson > Cc: Nick Hilliard , Database WG

Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread Sander Steffann via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Hi George, > I think the previously stated position from APNIC region is clear: we > have problems with the logistics which permit resources from our > region to be included in IRR statements in the RIPE DB, when no formal > check is made of permission or integrity, and we

Re: [db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- denis walker via db-wg wrote: > We would like to start off the (final?) round of discussions on this > topic with a question. Should the RIPE Database be used as an open, > free, global Internet Routing Registry (IRR)? If the answer is 'yes' > then perhaps we should allow the

[db-wg] out of region routing in the RIPE Database

2017-07-18 Thread denis walker via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Colleagues The DB-WG co-chairs would like to try to resolve (or close and document that as a consensus) another long standing issue, out of region ROUTE(6) and AUT-NUM objects in the RIPE Database (NWI-5). We would like to start off the (final?) round of discussions on